M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[bozotheclown]

Brainbomb is right.

Are you going to change your vote when emc votes, or is he your top scum read regardless?

[brainbomb]

Of the wagons with more than one vote, I would go with Bob over emc, BunnyGo, Jamie, and Kalel.

##VOTE BobMcBob

premature votejaculation

[Jamiet99uk]

Brainbomb is right.

Are you going to change your vote when emc votes, or is he your top scum read regardless?

It depends. EMC has to do more than vote to persuade me. I think the most likely scum are EMC or Neph. Xorxes and Foodcoats I also suspect. Need another look at Foxcastle.

But first here is some alternative wisdom.

No one believed you when you used to say
That one day you’d find it somehow or some way
The answer that hides in a hole in your heart
It tears you apart.

(Do what you want)
Everyone laughed at your early attempts
(With love in your heart)
Those with potential were met with contempt
All of the people they said you were wrong
But you carried on
Yeah!

[Jamiet99uk]

Listen to the doctor who told you that you wouldn’t heal
Listen to the preacher who told you to kneel
Listen to the experts who mocked you for breaking the rules
Well now who’s the fool?
Yeah!

[Jamiet99uk]

They’ll step on your fingers as you reach the crest
They’ll try to convince you you’re the same as the rest
(But you do what you want)
They’ll kick you and beat you for nothing at all
But you follow the call
You scale the wall
So throw me the ball
‘Cause we’ll never fall
Yeah!

This is the Sixth Object.

[brainbomb]

for future reference remember p29 where neph gave a pretty scummy tell and bozos response was to bolster nephs top scumread as a cw to emc.

curious how emc and bobmcbob flip.

probably scum is bozo, neph, and maybe it isnt jamie here. Hard to tell. could be kak after all.

if neph flips w, foodcoats is pretty clear

[brainbomb]

so lets say

bozo
neph
kak
foxcastle

[bozotheclown]

for future reference remember p29 where neph gave a pretty scummy tell and bozos response was to bolster nephs top scumread as a cw to emc.

curious how emc and bobmcbob flip.

probably scum is bozo, neph, and maybe it isnt jamie here. Hard to tell. could be kak after all.

if neph flips w, foodcoats is pretty clear

When did Nephthys say Bob was his top scum read?

[brainbomb]

I was just about to look into moving my vote but now I think I wanna double down on my Bunny vote. His last post is such a stark contrast to the previous that it just reeks of someone trying to fly under the radar but push the obvious cases.

ah, bunny not bob. my misread

[brainbomb]

sorry to make you worried bozo. I know you two need 2 diff fake scumreads to push and all

[Nephthys]

just to point out that you refer to people misrepping your meta. you are a 1 wagon. Im the only one voting you. As far as ive observed im the only one accusing you of fluffing post count


I took issue with your self inclusion in the bozo experiment.
I found you push on kak for his prince of auschwitz thing a bit forced
and you just seem a bit fluffy to me

If you were Gm would you have counted that vote? That genuinely surprises me.

See this is a pretty scummy reply. youve effectively ducked the pressure by placing the onus upon procedure.

And yet accurate, I believe worcej made a post that they would not be counted...

[Vecna]

Bob, Bob, Bob.

I want to like you. I really do. You're awkward, but I feel some genuineness at your frustration which makes me want to believe you are town. But I can't town read you when your reads just dont make any sense at all. Every read you have is hedged here. Let me demonstrate by removing everything but the last sentence in your reads.

Okay, for what it's worth, which probably isn't much, here be my reads.

Vecna - I can't think of the right word at the moment, but it feels probably genuine.

Kitsune - So possibly slight scum points.

Bunny - I'd have to say that I can't see much either way here, seems NAI.

Neph - I dunno, maybe slight scum.

Xorxes - Maybe a little scummy.

Jamie - But since this is my reads list, and I should try to be original, I'll lean scum.

I have to go now, but briefly:
Kalel seems pretty scummy
Bozo seems useless but somewhat towny
Squigs seems pretty NAI although I don't like his push on me
Not sure about emc, seems alright to me

Ironically, in your attempt to be original with your Jamie read, you lean scum, which is what your read for ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE GAME is. Sure, you put Vecna as probably town. But everyone else is NAI or slight scum, no matter what observations you have.

Your strongest scumread and current vote is Kalel... and you dont explain that vote. Your other scumread and vote was me... who you have as NAI now without explaining your change.

I hope you can see why I am having a difficult time understanding you. Mafia tend to hedge posts so they arent held accountable, have everyone as slight scum to keep their options open, and are awkward when trying to lie. All of these I see in you.

So please, do yourself a favor, and put together a case on Kalel, or really anyone, which is strong and convincing.

I'm flopping around on whether this post is terrible or not. On one hand I hate it cause there's not even an attempt to point Bob in the right direction, so he doesn't feel comfortable posting reads, you don't then go and roast the list he does post without giving at least a touch of advice for moving forwards.

On the other hand, Squigs might just be blunt.

yeah im also having wildly mixed feelings about squigs. not the good kind

[brainbomb]

I can vouch for squiggs

[Vecna]

[...]
Does that mean:

1. Town is exhausted and is tired of arguing?
2. The usual suspects are all scum and love a good red herring?
3. Something else I've missed considering?

[...]
I do think about my posts, but I suppose I can stop if people don’t want me scum hunting at all. Just seems dumb.

[...]
If I get lynched I get lynched, meanwhile I’m going to focus on what I can usefully do when there’s anything to usefully sift through.
[...]

I'm surley not wanting you to stop scum hunting and you have a good attitude in doing stuff even when in a pinch, though I haven't really seen you hunt. Do you might have a busy day? I'll mark you down as hunter and see if that stands true for now.

Reading jamie I've come around from my previous statement. He looks like normal town jamie, that's true, but ever since the posts of xorx and Neph happened about reading him as town, he increased volume. Also he seems more focussed, less random, as if he has an agenda, it just rubs me the wrong way. ##vote Jamie

hmm ... I just noticed ... no one has yet said anything about everyone claiming their role in a mass claim. I think that was a big issue for some, so what happened to this topic? I think it was your big thing @bozo?

Mass claiming is only helpful to town when there are a lot of roles, so that claiming them helps narrow down the scum. Here it would just reveal our PRs to the mafia and SK for them to NK.

yeah, bozo is playing a carbon copy of the scumgame when we walzed over town a few games ago.

would lynch

[brainbomb]

then lets do that

##Vote bozo

[Vecna]

bob and bunny look way worse than you right now however.

hows that make you feel

at least 2 of these 3 are town in my estimate

[brainbomb]

bob and bunny look way worse than you right now however.

hows that make you feel

at least 2 of these 3 are town in my estimate

Agree that neph is potentially scum and those 2 arent

[bozotheclown]

I'm surley not wanting you to stop scum hunting and you have a good attitude in doing stuff even when in a pinch, though I haven't really seen you hunt. Do you might have a busy day? I'll mark you down as hunter and see if that stands true for now.

Reading jamie I've come around from my previous statement. He looks like normal town jamie, that's true, but ever since the posts of xorx and Neph happened about reading him as town, he increased volume. Also he seems more focussed, less random, as if he has an agenda, it just rubs me the wrong way. ##vote Jamie

hmm ... I just noticed ... no one has yet said anything about everyone claiming their role in a mass claim. I think that was a big issue for some, so what happened to this topic? I think it was your big thing @bozo?

Mass claiming is only helpful to town when there are a lot of roles, so that claiming them helps narrow down the scum. Here it would just reveal our PRs to the mafia and SK for them to NK.

yeah, bozo is playing a carbon copy of the scumgame when we walzed over town a few games ago.

would lynch

In that game a mass claim would have helped town. A mass claim is obviously not a good idea here.

[bozotheclown]

bob and bunny look way worse than you right now however.

hows that make you feel

at least 2 of these 3 are town in my estimate

Which 2?

[Vecna]

Of the wagons with more than one vote, I would go with Bob over emc, BunnyGo, Jamie, and Kalel.

##VOTE BobMcBob

and why is that you flaccid scumlord?