MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Temasek22]

Gg Hosu, you died for the greater good. I hope we don't throw this advantage away. Nice to see us caught three scum as well.

[goldfinger0303]

Two scum and a bounty hunter.

Literally lynch either one of them and it will prove my claim. Or if the NK hits one of 5 targets (3 that worcej claimed and my two unknown bounties).

Either way, at least one of my bounties is scum. There's a chance my others could be as well. I can be just as useful as a VT. And if town and I want to lynch the same person, we can both win.

Just, again, take note of the VT claimants who wanted to lynch me today. Chances are that the Agent is there.

[Temasek22]

Two scum and a bounty hunter.

Literally lynch either one of them and it will prove my claim. Or if the NK hits one of 5 targets (3 that worcej claimed and my two unknown bounties).

Either way, at least one of my bounties is scum. There's a chance my others could be as well. I can be just as useful as a VT. And if town and I want to lynch the same person, we can both win.

Just, again, take note of the VT claimants who wanted to lynch me today. Chances are that the Agent is there.

Hold on. The only bounty you had claimed was Kalel, right?

[goldfinger0303]

That's right.

[damo666]

I suppose now we have to decide what order to lynch Goldie, Kalel, and Worcej in. Kal basically confirming he is the Roleblocker, I'm honestly not super concerned about him... but one of Goldie and worcej has to be the RP, right?

I really think it's Goldie and he visited Tom N1. But it could also be worcej -

but knowing the RP is likely one of these two, we should really go scrutinize their posts from pages 27-32.

I think Goldie is the obvlynch tomorrow

[goldfinger0303]

I suppose now we have to decide what order to lynch Goldie, Kalel, and Worcej in. Kal basically confirming he is the Roleblocker, I'm honestly not super concerned about him... but one of Goldie and worcej has to be the RP, right?

I really think it's Goldie and he visited Tom N1. But it could also be worcej -

but knowing the RP is likely one of these two, we should really go scrutinize their posts from pages 27-32.

I think Goldie is the obvlynch tomorrow

If you're really concerned that I'm RP, then RB me. Kalel won't counter-RB you because he doesn't know who the new RB is. Lynch Kalel tomorrow and then you'll find I collect my bounty and you RB'd the wrong damn person.

Or, lynch worcej because he's scum fakeclaiming BH. His flip won't *completely* clear me, but it really should go a long ways.

Town has mislynched twice. Both lynches on targets I did not scumread. At least one of my targets is scum. After tonight it'll be down to 6 scum vs 9 town, plus me. You can't afford to lynch me, because then it'll be 6 scum vs 7 town the following day.

Lynch Kalel. Let me collect my bounty. Lynch worcej the next day.

[peterlund]

Unofficial votecount:

worcej (7) ND Chaqa bozotheclown teacon7 worcej* peterlund e.m.c^42
KalelChase (4) goldfinger0303 Tom Bombadil ItsHosuke Foxcastle
ItsHosuke (4) Temasek22 dargorygel KalelChase Jamiet99uk
BunnyGo (2) BunnyGo damo666
No‑Lynch (1) xorxes

4/6 VT voting for worcej.

Voting for one of Kalel or Hosuke would result in either:
- a lynch of probably the roleblocker, a teammate of two scum, possibly two scum VT, or:
- clearing one VT, reducing the pool where the other two scum VT can hide

Townie points for Fox and Tem.

Looking at the D2 VC, I guess Fox get town points but Tem get scum points.

[peterlund]

In 4 minutes you will see that I am the Doctor.

No, only that you WERE the Doctor when you visited me.

Yes that is right. Reaver Prime could have recruited Jamie N1, if he thought that Jamie had good survival capabilities. Not sure the Reaver would think so.

[peterlund]

Agh, I figured this would happen.

I am the *real* bounty hunter. Kalel is a bounty of mine. Worcej is lying, as I've repeated many times throughout the day.

This post screams "Gold and Worcej are Maf1 team mates" to me.

[peterlund]

Listing xorxes with 4 votes was against what Kitsune has said, but it did not matter, listng xorxes first among the 2 vote wagon would have given the dame information.

Bozo looks like SCUM bitterly complaining of how the GMs posts! Bozo is scum.

[peterlund]

Kalel trying to obscure the xorxes vote test would indicate goldfinger is his teammate, not BH.

He would have known xorxes would be getting +2...

No he cannot know for sure, as Kalel cannot be both Maf1 and Reaver at the same time.

[peterlund]

Kalel trying to obscure the xorxes vote test would indicate goldfinger is his teammate, not BH.

He would have known xorxes would be getting +2...

No he cannot know for sure, as Kalel cannot be both Maf1 and Reaver at the same time.

Unless, Kalel was Maf1 going into EoN1, but converted to Reaver N1. Maybe Kalel is our Reaver recruit.

[peterlund]

##CALL GM does scanner learn who a reaver used to be? If they’ve been converted? Or only “reaver”? Do they learn the difference between the reavers?

Has there been already a GM call asking the same questions regarding the possible future death announcement or a Reaver?

- Do we get "Reaver" or "Reaver Prime" there?
- Do we get previous role of a Reaver in a Death announcement?

#CALL GM please answer the 2 question above if you not already have.

[peterlund]

mass claim is very much against the spirit of the game. It should be banned going forward I would recommend that to future GMs + Council

Agree! We should not have open setups again. There must always be non used PRs for scum to claim to prevent this.

[peterlund]

Looking at the high activity of Goldie even now N2 after he has been caught, I do not think that Goldie is the BH. Instead he is either the Reaver paving the road for his recruit(s) or a Maf1 member doing the same for Maf1.

Furthermore, I do not think that any of the currently confirmed scum (Kalel, Gold or Worcej) is our Mafia Godfather. Bozo make a good fit for that position!

[xorxes]

To be honest, why would BH hide in PR group? Don’t they need to buy lots of time and let us sort out CCs and hope?

The reaver just has to hide in PRs for 1 day to spawn.

I agree, that is why I think this is the most likely option:

worcej: Investigator
goldfinger: Reaver Prime
Kalel: Roleblocker
VT1: Agent
VT2: BH

And Temasek the Agent, since worcej claimed he read him as VT? Then flipping Tem would not have exposed worcej.

I won't have time today, but if someone wants to do ISOs looking for worcej-Kalel-Temasek team connections that would be great.

[xorxes]

I do find goldfinger's BH claim more believable than worcej.

I should take note of how easy you WIFOM in future games. His fake claim is failing and he claimed a new one (BH) when Jamie was confirmed doctor is the exact same thing I did when I screwed my reader claim up.

This almost sounds like worcej is admitting his BH claim is fake.

Yes, worcej's reappearance kind of flushes down the toilet his masterful giving up in frustration performance.

[xorxes]

Two scum and a bounty hunter.

Literally lynch either one of them and it will prove my claim. Or if the NK hits one of 5 targets (3 that worcej claimed and my two unknown bounties).

Either way, at least one of my bounties is scum. There's a chance my others could be as well. I can be just as useful as a VT. And if town and I want to lynch the same person, we can both win.

Just, again, take note of the VT claimants who wanted to lynch me today. Chances are that the Agent is there.

Who is the Reaver and why? That is what you need to convince us of if you want us to believe you.

[xorxes]

I suppose now we have to decide what order to lynch Goldie, Kalel, and Worcej in. Kal basically confirming he is the Roleblocker, I'm honestly not super concerned about him... but one of Goldie and worcej has to be the RP, right?

I really think it's Goldie and he visited Tom N1. But it could also be worcej -

but knowing the RP is likely one of these two, we should really go scrutinize their posts from pages 27-32.

I think Goldie is the obvlynch tomorrow

If you're really concerned that I'm RP, then RB me. Kalel won't counter-RB you because he doesn't know who the new RB is. Lynch Kalel tomorrow and then you'll find I collect my bounty and you RB'd the wrong damn person.

Or, lynch worcej because he's scum fakeclaiming BH. His flip won't *completely* clear me, but it really should go a long ways.

Town has mislynched twice. Both lynches on targets I did not scumread. At least one of my targets is scum. After tonight it'll be down to 6 scum vs 9 town, plus me. You can't afford to lynch me, because then it'll be 6 scum vs 7 town the following day.

Lynch Kalel. Let me collect my bounty. Lynch worcej the next day.

If Kalel is your only scum bounty, you need to save him for last if you want to win with town.

[xorxes]

##CALL GM does scanner learn who a reaver used to be? If they’ve been converted? Or only “reaver”? Do they learn the difference between the reavers?

Has there been already a GM call asking the same questions regarding the possible future death announcement or a Reaver?

- Do we get "Reaver" or "Reaver Prime" there?
- Do we get previous role of a Reaver in a Death announcement?

#CALL GM please answer the 2 question above if you not already have.

Yes, it has been answered, at least twice.

We don't find out the old role they had. We do find out between Reaver Prime, and plain Reaver.