MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[teacon7]

Read your reaction yesterday when you thought you were about to be scanned and tell me who is humourless.

tbf, it could have been a reaction to something else.

We've been assuming that he was reaver prime.

What if dr. jamie had just found out that he'd been reavered?

[Jamiet99uk]

You're not even bothering to read the thread. That's not how town Jamie operates.

Town Jamie is sick of the way this game has been spoiled by the massclaiming and the shitty, humourless attitudes of the likes of you and Bozo.

Read your reaction yesterday when you thought you were about to be scanned and tell me who is humourless.

Huh?

On which page?

I would be happy to be scanned.

I am the Doctor.

[Jamiet99uk]

Read your reaction yesterday when you thought you were about to be scanned and tell me who is humourless.

tbf, it could have been a reaction to something else.

We've been assuming that he was reaver prime.

What if dr. jamie had just found out that he'd been reavered?

Doctor Jamie is distinctly un-reavered, I assure you.

[xorxes]

As for finding the scum:

I know that Goldfinger is scum.

We assume that either ItsHosuke / KalelChase is scum, don't we?

Worcej cannot possibly be town.

Bozo seems very likely to be scum to me.

EMC has gone completely into hiding and my guess is he completes the set.

So why is everyone piling on worcej and wasting a whole day of wagon annalysis instead of putting some pressure on those we need to sort out?

[Jamiet99uk]

As for finding the scum:

I know that Goldfinger is scum.

We assume that either ItsHosuke / KalelChase is scum, don't we?

Worcej cannot possibly be town.

Bozo seems very likely to be scum to me.

EMC has gone completely into hiding and my guess is he completes the set.

So why is everyone piling on worcej and wasting a whole day of wagon annalysis instead of putting some pressure on those we need to sort out?

Don't point that at me. I wanted to lynch Bozo. Everyone else was piling onto Worcej.

[goldfinger0303]

As for finding the scum:

I know that Goldfinger is scum.

We assume that either ItsHosuke / KalelChase is scum, don't we?

Worcej cannot possibly be town.

Bozo seems very likely to be scum to me.

EMC has gone completely into hiding and my guess is he completes the set.

Lol Jamiet we have the same scumreads. Makes me think you're reaver. Or just parroting me

[xorxes]

Read your reaction yesterday when you thought you were about to be scanned and tell me who is humourless.

tbf, it could have been a reaction to something else.

We've been assuming that he was reaver prime.

What if dr. jamie had just found out that he'd been reavered?

I assure you he is not Reaver Prime. Even not knowing, like I do, that hypothesis should have way lower weight than him being roleblocker. It maves very little sense for RP to convert someone doomed to be exposed. It makes sense for roleblocker to try to frame me. Doc trying to save me is also not out of the question.RP is the least likely of the three, anyone should see that with 2 seconds of thinking.

[Jamiet99uk]

Lol Goldfinger we have the same scumreads. Makes me think you're reaver. Or just parroting me.

[bozotheclown]

Mafia and Reavers need BH dead to win.

Town does not need BH dead to win.

We're currently wasting a lynch to do their job for them. Every scum is onboard with this plan.

Are we even getting info from the lynch at least? None.

The mafia are not going to NK worcej, so we likely need to lynch the BH at some point anyway. Also, we are getting information from the lynch, unless you are certain worcej is the BH. If worcej is Reaver 0, or mafia team 1, what would you expect him to do when he was caught by incorrectly stating the Reader power? I would expect him to claim BH to try to avoid the lynch. As for the believability of his BH claim, he claimed his 3 targets are all from the 6 VT claimants, which would be an odd coincidence.

[damo666]

Ok. With Xorxes self voting I have no need to read Jamie.

Anybody turning a 2 vote wagon into a 3 vote wagon will be assumed scum (except wagons on Kalel or Itso provided a 2 vote wagon remains.

If there is support for lynching from K/I I don't mind switching from worcej.

I think I know who I will read but will leave sending PM to close to EOD in case anything of interest occurs.

[Chaqa]

If worcej is not BH it will become apparent when the first BH target flips. We.'re not in danger of BH winning yet, and scum have as much incentive to stop him from winning as town anyway.

I proposed this plan way back and everyone shat on me for it... :/

[teacon7]

Whatever. Despite everything else, we still need to hear from Itshosuke and Kalel in order to move the game forward.

I'd love to hear @Tom Bombadil's take on all this. He's got a good head and I'd love to hear his perspective.



Let's talk about the VT claimants.

Chaqa: town +3, maf 0, reaver +2, BH +1 he's been involved enough, and seems like he's actively working towards a mechanical solution to the game. the only way that works if he's scum is if we're 100% wrong. good scan target because we'd confirm his voice, but otherwise... okay.

emc: town 0, maf +5, reaver +2, BH + 1. any way you look at it: scum. This is based on meta. he's lurking and forgettable. We can neither confirm nor deny him being sick or gone, etc. I'm sympathetic towards any real illnesses, but iirc he's lurked his way to scum victory before, riding the back of some crisis or another. Town emc is intelligent, hunts for scum, and speculates about things. He's my tier 1 scumread in this pool.

bozo: town +3 maf +0 reaver +2 BH 0. If jamie isn't reaver prime, bozo could be. He's been working towards a mechanical solution to the game, which is towny UNLESS we're on the wrong track, in which case he doesn't care because it's just hunting for mafia 1. Also he posted wierd lojban stuff at the beginning, and never really explained it. In a game with press restrictions/additions, that's suspect. http://bit.ly/2uefCZv

Does that seem right to you?

Temasek - town 0 maf 1 reav 1 bh 1. null. leaf on the wind, watch him soar. I don't know the guy, and most of his contributions have been, imo, forgettable. That's easy to do in this game, but nonetheless .... not helpful. We're not in a situation where lurking could be explainable because "PR are trying to hide" ... so he gets some scum notches for that. that's a good way to play BH if you know worcej is lying.

ND: town 3 maf 1 reav 1 bh 0. townlean. probably worth scanning. I think his reaction to xorx' mass claim idea was town-motivated, and he fought it to the end. if not town, then bounty hunter.

Foxcastle: town 0 maf 0 reav 1 bh 0. Mostly null in all categories. I think he's still catching up? he gets one reaver point for vecna quitting. Maybe vecna quit on account of no-time to play 3rd party? idk. with PR claimed, lurking like this is 100% dead weight.

[Chaqa]

As for finding the scum:

I know that Goldfinger is scum.

We assume that either ItsHosuke / KalelChase is scum, don't we?

Worcej cannot possibly be town.

Bozo seems very likely to be scum to me.

EMC has gone completely into hiding and my guess is he completes the set.

Maybe he will get modkilled again?

[Jamiet99uk]

Let's talk about the VT claimants.

Chaqa: town +3, maf 0, reaver +2, BH +1

emc: town 0, maf +5, reaver +2, BH + 1.

bozo: town +3 maf +0 reaver +2 BH 0.

Temasek - town 0 maf 1 reav 1 bh 1.

ND: town 3 maf 1 reav 1 bh 0.

Foxcastle: town 0 maf 0 reav 1 bh 0.

What are these numbers supposed to mean?

[teacon7]

I assure you he is not Reaver Prime. Even not knowing, like I do, that hypothesis should have way lower weight than him being roleblocker. It maves very little sense for RP to convert someone doomed to be exposed. It makes sense for roleblocker to try to frame me. Doc trying to save me is also not out of the question.RP is the least likely of the three, anyone should see that with 2 seconds of thinking.

yeah so I agree. It took me a while to get there, but I agree.

I was asking if his rage was at finding out he'd been turned INTO a reaver. So he visited you as doc/customs N1, but D2 onwards now he's playing for a different team.

[bozotheclown]

As for finding the scum:

I know that Goldfinger is scum.

We assume that either ItsHosuke / KalelChase is scum, don't we?

Worcej cannot possibly be town.

Bozo seems very likely to be scum to me.

EMC has gone completely into hiding and my guess is he completes the set.

So why is everyone piling on worcej and wasting a whole day of wagon analysis instead of putting some pressure on those we need to sort out?

Having a clear lynch today also frees up some players to test your vote count to determine Jamie's alignment. I think we need to do what we can to avoid mislynches, and lynching the BH is not a mislynch.

[xorxes]

Mafia and Reavers need BH dead to win.

Town does not need BH dead to win.

We're currently wasting a lynch to do their job for them. Every scum is onboard with this plan.

Are we even getting info from the lynch at least? None.

The mafia are not going to NK worcej, so we likely need to lynch the BH at some point anyway. Also, we are getting information from the lynch, unless you are certain worcej is the BH. If worcej is Reaver 0, or mafia team 1, what would you expect him to do when he was caught by incorrectly stating the Reader power? I would expect him to claim BH to try to avoid the lynch. As for the believability of his BH claim, he claimed his 3 targets are all from the 6 VT claimants, which would be an odd coincidence.

Why should we need to lynch BH? We don't need to do that to win.

And if he made up the targets, he will be exposed at some point.

[goldfinger0303]

Lol Goldfinger we have the same scumreads. Makes me think you're reaver. Or just parroting me.

But...I've *consistently* posted my reads before you.

[Chaqa]

Let's talk about the VT claimants.

Chaqa: town +3, maf 0, reaver +2, BH +1

emc: town 0, maf +5, reaver +2, BH + 1.

bozo: town +3 maf +0 reaver +2 BH 0.

Temasek - town 0 maf 1 reav 1 bh 1.

ND: town 3 maf 1 reav 1 bh 0.

Foxcastle: town 0 maf 0 reav 1 bh 0.

What are these numbers supposed to mean?

Are you being purposefully dense?

Is the reaver rule to not understand or agree with anything?

[teacon7]

Let's talk about the VT claimants.

Chaqa: town +3, maf 0, reaver +2, BH +1

emc: town 0, maf +5, reaver +2, BH + 1.

bozo: town +3 maf +0 reaver +2 BH 0.

Temasek - town 0 maf 1 reav 1 bh 1.

ND: town 3 maf 1 reav 1 bh 0.

Foxcastle: town 0 maf 0 reav 1 bh 0.

What are these numbers supposed to mean?

notches indicative of how strongly I think they fit into that particular alignment. it's not a zero-sum system, though I probably should have made it that way.