MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

The upside in these plans over lynching worcej straight out:

#1 - peter has a slight chance of having been converted to a Reaver. Perhaps a better play later.

#2 - Bozo/Fox could be Reavers, or scum, and we could get lucky and kill those while ALSO confirming whether or not worceh is BH.

I like plan 2 a lot actually.

Bozo or Fox (or ND, I suppose, though I hesitate now).

[xorxes]

Wondering...

Reavers likely would have tried to hit xorxes, Tom, or peter.

Perhaps we lynch peter and have him shoot worcej?

This eliminates one of the three likely Reaver conversions, possibly a Reaver, and if he hasn't been converted, then worcej goes down. It also limits the # of people we have to worry about using our protections on, while 50/50 we get another town-directed kill off.

May be a bit too ambitious.

Whyever would Reavers want to convert me? I would be immediately exposed at EOD.

And Tom and Peter are not very likely targets either as they were strong NK candidates.

A few minutes ago you were decrying making you reveal because you could have been Reaver'd... now you say why would they do so? This is odd.

Good point on Tom/Peter. Peter should still be lynched so we can have an extra kill, though, yes?

Yes, but not today.

[Foxcastle]

So:
Day 2 - lynch Fox or Bozo. Scan Goldie or Jamiet.
Night 2 - report Gold/Jam scan. Commute damo. See if worcej is BH.
Day 3 - act on damo's scan. Lynch goldie or Jamiet. Damo scans again.
Night 4 - etc...

Why am I being lynched? Or Bozo for that matter, since I think this is somewhat typical early-game Bozo play. Is it just to clear out VT claims, or are you actually scumreading us, Chaqa?

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa you cannot verify worcej as BH. You can only verify he is not in which case we may as well have lynched him.

Lynching worcej today is a no brainer imo.

Barring anything bizarre happening I will read one of Goldie Jamie. I don't think it matters which - someone please shout if you think otherwise.

No hammering.

If we lynch Fox or Bozo, and it says one of the targets died, we know he is BH (or most likely BH). If it doesn't, we can lynch him the next day. We have time.

[xorxes]

Yes, I am the Doctor. I protected Tom last night.

Originally, ironically enough, I was going to protect teacon since he was my top town read in the claimed PR group. However, once peter shot I changed to Tom, as he'd be the biggest asset for the reaver. Scum team 1 was pretty much dead with the three confirmed PRs, so reaver was our only threat. Xorxes and peter can both be caught pretty easy if they're recruited (peter we'd just lynch and have him kill someone with his death shot), so Tom was the bigger threat.

Chaqa looking hella suspicious though so far today. My guess of scumteam 1 is worcej, Jamiet and Chaqa now.

Why would you announce who you protected???

Why would I not? It benefits the town to know who is less likely to be a reaver. It's not a 100% guarantee, obviously, but its better than nothing to go off of.

You can't save the same person consecutively, that's why.

[Chaqa]

Wouldn't the Reaver avoid turning Peterlund to avoid exactly this kind of counter-punch?

Although having him shoot Worcej makes me less leery about the plan... If it were just shooting the best guess, I would oppose it, but if it's Worcej, we definitely get something out of it.

Peter only gets his extra shot if lynched. If the Reavers hit him, he just becomes a Reaver, if he hasn't already.

Right. My point is that the Reaver could very well have thought that through and anticipated that town could decide to lynch Peter on the basis that they either kill a Reaver, or if they don't, they get to shoot someone else. It seems to me that would make Peter a less desirable Reaver candidate.

Ah, yes. This makes sense to me.

[bozotheclown]

They are revealed at EON, not necessarily when they flip. Strange rules.

So we can bin the lynch a worcej target test then.

I kind of don't hate the idea.

We KNOW worcej is non-town. Scum or BH. That's 1/4 of the non-Reavers. If we lynch ND, Fox, or Bozo, we can both figure out if worcej is BH or not, while also narrowing down our lynch pool later.

I actually think ND is town now, so I don't want to lynch him (he's only not town if worcej flips scum, and in that case ND is worcej's teammate and they concocted this scheme) - so I say we lynch Bozo or Fox, and have damo scan one of Goldie and Jamiet.

This should line up our next two lynches nicely.

Mislynching in the VT claimants to verify worcej is the BH does not make sense. Just lynch worcej later.

[BunnyGo]

They will spawn one more anyway since there's two Reavers now. We missed the chance to stop them short.

Are we sure? Maybe doctor saved...

We are sure that the reaver was successful. Tom and I would have both gotten notification that it was blocked.

Why? This makes no sense? Again...I'm not drinking yet, so still Dumb Bunny.

[BunnyGo]

We have two sets of counter claims...
Which one is more important?

One is settled. The other we need to decide. And Kalel has to counteclaim someone yet.

In the meantime ##VOTE Kalel

I'm sure he will claim when he gets on.

What do you think of my two proposals?

1 - Lynch peter, have him shoot worcej if he is still town.
2 - Lynch Bozo or Fox to confirm worcej is BH.

Strongly dislike 2.

And 1 feels premature, would be happier to leave it to another day.

[Chaqa]

So:
Day 2 - lynch Fox or Bozo. Scan Goldie or Jamiet.
Night 2 - report Gold/Jam scan. Commute damo. See if worcej is BH.
Day 3 - act on damo's scan. Lynch goldie or Jamiet. Damo scans again.
Night 4 - etc...

Why am I being lynched? Or Bozo for that matter, since I think this is somewhat typical early-game Bozo play. Is it just to clear out VT claims, or are you actually scumreading us, Chaqa?

Three reasons:
1. Worcej claims you are both BH targets. Lynching one of you would semi-confirm whether or not he is telling the truth.
2. There's two non-town in the group of {Chaqa, ND, Fox, Tem, Bozo}. I know I'm town, and ND bringing up the point that worcej could be scum pretending to be BH is something I can't see a scum player realizing or pointing out unless ND is his teammate. If this is true, it will be revealed by him not being confirmed as BH.
3. Based on 1 & 2 - It comes down to lynching you or Bozo.

[bozotheclown]

The upside in these plans over lynching worcej straight out:

#1 - peter has a slight chance of having been converted to a Reaver. Perhaps a better play later.

#2 - Bozo/Fox could be Reavers, or scum, and we could get lucky and kill those while ALSO confirming whether or not worceh is BH.

I like plan 2 a lot actually.

Bozo or Fox (or ND, I suppose, though I hesitate now).

If you want to use a lynch to verify worcej is the BH, that lynch is better used lynching worcej.

[dargorygel]

Ok... Data.
Don't want damo to waste his read

I watched someone.
Jamie visited that person. (Nice shoes, Jamie,)

Am I right on assuming Jamie is either doc or reaver?

[goldfinger0303]

Why would you announce who you protected???

Why would I not? It benefits the town to know who is less likely to be a reaver. It's not a 100% guarantee, obviously, but its better than nothing to go off of.

You've revealed that Tom will not be protected tonight, dumpkopf.

Then we just commute Tom tonight and I'll save damo if you're that worried. There are also now better town clears than Tom to recruit (since he still has the guard ability, right?). We can be almost 100% sure that the scum team 1's roleblocker is between Jamiet and worcej. They would have claimed PR while their agent stayed in the VT claimant pool.

[Foxcastle]

The upside in these plans over lynching worcej straight out:

#1 - peter has a slight chance of having been converted to a Reaver. Perhaps a better play later.

#2 - Bozo/Fox could be Reavers, or scum, and we could get lucky and kill those while ALSO confirming whether or not worceh is BH.

I like plan 2 a lot actually.

Bozo or Fox (or ND, I suppose, though I hesitate now).

If you want to use a lynch to verify worcej is the BH, that lynch is better used lynching worcej.

Yeah, this, Chaqa.

[xorxes]

We have two sets of counter claims...
Which one is more important?

One is settled. The other we need to decide. And Kalel has to counteclaim someone yet.

In the meantime ##VOTE Kalel

I'm sure he will claim when he gets on.

What do you think of my two proposals?

1 - Lynch peter, have him shoot worcej if he is still town.
2 - Lynch Bozo or Fox to confirm worcej is BH.

I'm most certain Kalel is scum at the moment than anyone else.

Jamiet and goldie are both iffy, but Jamiet's meltdown when he thought he was being scanned was very similar to some other time he was scum, so I don't know if using the scan there is the best way to go.

I don't particularly want to lynch bozo. Fox I can go along with.

[Chaqa]

So we can bin the lynch a worcej target test then.

I kind of don't hate the idea.

We KNOW worcej is non-town. Scum or BH. That's 1/4 of the non-Reavers. If we lynch ND, Fox, or Bozo, we can both figure out if worcej is BH or not, while also narrowing down our lynch pool later.

I actually think ND is town now, so I don't want to lynch him (he's only not town if worcej flips scum, and in that case ND is worcej's teammate and they concocted this scheme) - so I say we lynch Bozo or Fox, and have damo scan one of Goldie and Jamiet.

This should line up our next two lynches nicely.

Mislynching in the VT claimants to verify worcej is the BH does not make sense. Just lynch worcej later.

It does. If I were one of his targets I'd still support this plan. I feel your resistance implies you to be not town.

Here's what I think:
Tomorrow, we clearly will lynch either goldie or Jamiet, depending on what damo's scan says. So, today, we have options:

1. Lynch worcej. Solve the matter outright. This is a fine option and a good fallback plan.

2. Lynch peter so he can shoot worcej. Upside is, we *might* remove a Reaver in peter. Downside is, we are lynching a confirmed town PR. But we also remove worcej as a Reaver target or a NK target, meaning the chances Reavers get nightkilled down the line goes up.

3. Lynch Bozo or Fox. Both can be mafia or RP as there's two in the VT group, and as a byproduct of this plan we would also find our mostly for sure if worcej is the BH. If he is the BH, cool, we know to lynch him soon-ish. If not, and he was lying, it implicates ND as his teammate (and maybe Temasek) because ND pointing our he could be scum is something I could see them concocting at night.

[goldfinger0303]

@Chaqa you cannot verify worcej as BH. You can only verify he is not in which case we may as well have lynched him.

Lynching worcej today is a no brainer imo.

Barring anything bizarre happening I will read one of Goldie Jamie. I don't think it matters which - someone please shout if you think otherwise.

No hammering.

If we lynch Fox or Bozo, and it says one of the targets died, we know he is BH (or most likely BH). If it doesn't, we can lynch him the next day. We have time.

No we don't. Hypothetically, let's say worcej is not the BH (likely, in my eyes). If the mafia NK one of the *REAL* BH's targets, we'd get a false positive. We lynch worcej today. The fact that you're trying your damndest to save him is why I'm now scumreading you.

[Chaqa]

The upside in these plans over lynching worcej straight out:

#1 - peter has a slight chance of having been converted to a Reaver. Perhaps a better play later.

#2 - Bozo/Fox could be Reavers, or scum, and we could get lucky and kill those while ALSO confirming whether or not worceh is BH.

I like plan 2 a lot actually.

Bozo or Fox (or ND, I suppose, though I hesitate now).

If you want to use a lynch to verify worcej is the BH, that lynch is better used lynching worcej.

Yeah, this, Chaqa.

I don't really care if worcej is BH or not as a primary concern. It's an added bonus to flipping one of you two that we also find out more information on him as a byproduct.

[bozotheclown]

Ok... Data.
Don't want damo to waste his read

I watched someone.
Jamie visited that person. (Nice shoes, Jamie,)

Am I right on assuming Jamie is either doc or reaver?

All mafia could have visited someone.

[xorxes]

@Chaqa you cannot verify worcej as BH. You can only verify he is not in which case we may as well have lynched him.

Lynching worcej today is a no brainer imo.

Barring anything bizarre happening I will read one of Goldie Jamie. I don't think it matters which - someone please shout if you think otherwise.

No hammering.

We can't 100% verify, but if he guessed a bounty target correctly he deserves some credit.