MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

I think peter is terrible. Shooting into PRs that can massclaim is dumb considering when we do massclaim his pool of targets will be greatly reduced

Sigh...I’m starting to think I should just go to work. This all feels dumb.

What do you think of PRs claiming their roles? Would you like to force the issue by claiming your role? There are 3 scum to be caught in the PR claims.

Probably a good idea for everyone to make their PR claims at EoN before anyone is Reaver'd and their win-con changes.

[Foxcastle]

No rush on this - based on how Reaver's work, it should stay effective, but it would help to clear people as we go.

How, exactly, do the Reavers work?

We had a series of GM calls on the subject awhile back, but basically they have a pre-defined set of press rules to follow, that don't change, and are the same for all Reavers. There may or may not be multiple levels of violations, we're unsure.

You mis-spelled "no idea"... No idea if they depend on the state of the forum. No idea if they depend on the wagons in play. No idea if they depend on what other players are posting.

[bozotheclown]

Sigh...I’m starting to think I should just go to work. This all feels dumb.

What do you think of PRs claiming their roles? Would you like to force the issue by claiming your role? There are 3 scum to be caught in the PR claims.

Probably a good idea for everyone to make their PR claims at EoN before anyone is Reaver'd and their win-con changes.

I think the PRs should claim now to give peterlund a good shot, since he plans to shoot today.

[Chaqa]

How, exactly, do the Reavers work?

We had a series of GM calls on the subject awhile back, but basically they have a pre-defined set of press rules to follow, that don't change, and are the same for all Reavers. There may or may not be multiple levels of violations, we're unsure.

You mis-spelled "no idea"... No idea if they depend on the state of the forum. No idea if they depend on the wagons in play. No idea if they depend on what other players are posting.

So you're saying, because we don't know 100%, we should give up?

We KNOW a violation happened roughly between pages 27 and 32. Making everyone re-post exactly as they did and seeing if another violation happens is a quite reasonable and low-time-commitment test.

I don't see why this is a hill you're fighting on?

[Chaqa]

What do you think of PRs claiming their roles? Would you like to force the issue by claiming your role? There are 3 scum to be caught in the PR claims.

Probably a good idea for everyone to make their PR claims at EoN before anyone is Reaver'd and their win-con changes.

I think the PRs should claim now to give peterlund a good shot, since he plans to shoot today.

This is also reasonable.

[dargorygel]

If Peter would use his shot threat to force PR claims, that would give him and us info. Kind of like he is doing with Tom.

I might claim my role early. (Before eon)

[dargorygel]

I'll be vanishing a lot for a few days. Already explained.

I am pr.

(For the hunt)

[Foxcastle]

We had a series of GM calls on the subject awhile back, but basically they have a pre-defined set of press rules to follow, that don't change, and are the same for all Reavers. There may or may not be multiple levels of violations, we're unsure.

You mis-spelled "no idea"... No idea if they depend on the state of the forum. No idea if they depend on the wagons in play. No idea if they depend on what other players are posting.

So you're saying, because we don't know 100%, we should give up?

We KNOW a violation happened roughly between pages 27 and 32. Making everyone re-post exactly as they did and seeing if another violation happens is a quite reasonable and low-time-commitment test.

I don't see why this is a hill you're fighting on?

I'm fighting to keep a little more focus on finding scum, and to keep the thread a little cleaner by avoiding "okay, everybody post some stuff!"

I am not saying that there's not useful information between pages 27 and 32, or that we won't be able to return to this subject later and sift out good information, or even be able to eventually peg the Reaver. I am saying that right now, I don't expect this to be a productive exercise, and that it has downsides in terms of distraction and creating noise.

We don't even know what the GM's rules are for alerting the violation! It could very well be on a delay.

[Chaqa]

I'll be vanishing a lot for a few days. Already explained.

I am pr.

(For the hunt)

Known info is known.

Dargo, if you're going to be gone for an extended time, it's probably prudent for you to claim now so we don't have to track you down or be uncertain for long periods of time.

[Chaqa]

You mis-spelled "no idea"... No idea if they depend on the state of the forum. No idea if they depend on the wagons in play. No idea if they depend on what other players are posting.

So you're saying, because we don't know 100%, we should give up?

We KNOW a violation happened roughly between pages 27 and 32. Making everyone re-post exactly as they did and seeing if another violation happens is a quite reasonable and low-time-commitment test.

I don't see why this is a hill you're fighting on?

I'm fighting to keep a little more focus on finding scum, and to keep the thread a little cleaner by avoiding "okay, everybody post some stuff!"

I am not saying that there's not useful information between pages 27 and 32, or that we won't be able to return to this subject later and sift out good information, or even be able to eventually peg the Reaver. I am saying that right now, I don't expect this to be a productive exercise, and that it has downsides in terms of distraction and creating noise.

We don't even know what the GM's rules are for alerting the violation! It could very well be on a delay.

Well, lucky for you you're not one of the people under scrutiny, so your participation is not necessary :)

[dargorygel]

I'll be vanishing a lot for a few days. Already explained.

I am pr.

(For the hunt)

Known info is known.

Dargo, if you're going to be gone for an extended time, it's probably prudent for you to claim now so we don't have to track you down or be uncertain for long periods of time.

Aye that's what I was thinking.

I'm checking periodically for a bit.

I wish Peter would be helpful. And I hope Tom claims.

[Foxcastle]

So you're saying, because we don't know 100%, we should give up?

We KNOW a violation happened roughly between pages 27 and 32. Making everyone re-post exactly as they did and seeing if another violation happens is a quite reasonable and low-time-commitment test.

I don't see why this is a hill you're fighting on?

I'm fighting to keep a little more focus on finding scum, and to keep the thread a little cleaner by avoiding "okay, everybody post some stuff!"

I am not saying that there's not useful information between pages 27 and 32, or that we won't be able to return to this subject later and sift out good information, or even be able to eventually peg the Reaver. I am saying that right now, I don't expect this to be a productive exercise, and that it has downsides in terms of distraction and creating noise.

We don't even know what the GM's rules are for alerting the violation! It could very well be on a delay.

Well, lucky for you you're not one of the people under scrutiny, so your participation is not necessary :)

When I mentioned that there were some people here whose time is best spent on menial tasks, I did not mean you

[Tom Bombadil]

Why do you want me to claim? It seems unwise before EON since it helps scum narrow down best PRs to hunt. I think massclaim makes sense but after NK and before lynch since that’s when we want more information. Granted peter shooting now does throw a monkey wrench into things

[Foxcastle]

I have not thought very carefully about it, but on general principles, I do think shooting among VT claimants is a better option than shooting PRs.

[dargorygel]

Why do you want me to claim? It seems unwise before EON since it helps scum narrow down best PRs to hunt. I think massclaim makes sense but after NK and before lynch since that’s when we want more information. Granted peter shooting now does throw a monkey wrench into things

That is exactly why... But only if Peter, having claimed, can now shift his aim to give us info. I would rather he aims at a VT.

[dargorygel]

Why do you want me to claim? It seems unwise before EON since it helps scum narrow down best PRs to hunt. I think massclaim makes sense but after NK and before lynch since that’s when we want more information. Granted peter shooting now does throw a monkey wrench into things

That is exactly why... But only if Peter, having claimed, can now shift his aim to give us info. I would rather he aims at a VT.

Because there are scum in PRs... And as long as he is shooting there we might as well use it.

[Chaqa]

I'm fighting to keep a little more focus on finding scum, and to keep the thread a little cleaner by avoiding "okay, everybody post some stuff!"

I am not saying that there's not useful information between pages 27 and 32, or that we won't be able to return to this subject later and sift out good information, or even be able to eventually peg the Reaver. I am saying that right now, I don't expect this to be a productive exercise, and that it has downsides in terms of distraction and creating noise.

We don't even know what the GM's rules are for alerting the violation! It could very well be on a delay.

Well, lucky for you you're not one of the people under scrutiny, so your participation is not necessary :)

When I mentioned that there were some people here whose time is best spent on menial tasks, I did not mean you

I think it will be more telling who doesn't participate.

[Chaqa]

Why do you want me to claim? It seems unwise before EON since it helps scum narrow down best PRs to hunt. I think massclaim makes sense but after NK and before lynch since that’s when we want more information. Granted peter shooting now does throw a monkey wrench into things

@Tom - I was thinking we need to massclaim before the Reaving, since the converted person's win-con changing could throw some wrenches in the plans. Additionally, peter wants to shoot you... which is fun. Thanks pete.

[xorxes]

Why do you want me to claim? It seems unwise before EON since it helps scum narrow down best PRs to hunt. I think massclaim makes sense but after NK and before lynch since that’s when we want more information. Granted peter shooting now does throw a monkey wrench into things

If peter shoots the Reaver, that's the end of the Reavers, is that correct?

[Chaqa]

I have not thought very carefully about it, but on general principles, I do think shooting among VT claimants is a better option than shooting PRs.

It's close. We have 12 people claiming 9 PR slots, and 6 people claiming 4 VT slots. Mathematically, this means 1/3 chance hitting scum in the VT, and 1/4 chance hitting scum in the PR, which does infer that we should target in the VT group.

However, peter knows he is town, which limits his group from 12 to 11, and if we massclaim, it would basically give him 3 50/50 chances or so. It's probable that mafia will target in the PR group for their NK.

If I had to guess:
Reaver is in PR
BH is in VT
Mafia are split 2/1

Confirmed PR
xorxes (Captain)

Claimed PR - 9 actual PR
teacon
darg
Tom Bombadil
rdrivera
damo
worcej
Jamie
Goldfinger
Kalel
BunnyGo
peterlund (Hero of Mudtown)
Superstition (Companion)

Claimed VT - 4 actual "VT" (including backups)
Chaqa
emc
bozo
Temasek
ND
Foxcastle

Dead
FlaviusAetius (VT)