MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[Tom Bombadil]

So yavu is obv scum. So is rivera. Maybe still Kalel?? And Vecna?

[yavuzovic]

Ah
I apologise from the town if I get mislynched. I'm not a good town player. The ridiculous thing is I'm more towny when I'm actually scum.
##vote Tom Bombadil

[xorxes]

“ I don't refuse being a mafia member for now, ”

Wut

I'm trying to make a stonger meaning for denying SK. Apparently literary arts don't work same in every langıage.

I meant: I'm not mafia, but being mafia is more likely than being SK

I fully accept that you were not actually admitting to being scum, and you were just trying to say that if you were scum, being Mafia was (purely statistically) more likely than being SK.

But an argument from statistics is not really apt here. The interest in the VT role is more likely to come from Jack than from anyone else.

And there's one other thing: in my opinion, there's two, maybe three people that have outed themselves as having female roles (I'm obviously not going to discuss who they are). If Jack had been playing and paying attention from the start, they probably would have detected them, since that's their biggest concern. You had the disadvantage in this respect of coming late and so you are much more likely than anyone else to have missed those clues.

[yavuzovic]

If it wasn't targeting myself, I would say I like your reads, because you have reason. But here, I know they aren't correct.

I'm sure I would be more careful if I were SK, and I don't know the clues you are talking about and if they can be found in this way, but I would search the words like "female", "male", "gender".

[ND]

If I was to make a case on any of my 'names' then I promise you it would dwarf anything, any of you have ever seen. Maybe I will, but if I spelled out every little thing I did then that would often defeat the purpose.

There have already been some interesting commentary on it from Bionic, Cmdr, and Purple. Purple's own immediate 'fall in line' post to Cmdr a few pages back was beyond interesting.

[ND]

When I am ready to present my findings, I'll do so, until then use your own brains to scumhunt and deduce the truth.

[Tom Bombadil]

Tbh, I doubt SK would get subbed out twice. One of them would have been excited enough to have the opportunity to play as a 3rd party.

[xorxes]

Tbh, I doubt SK would get subbed out twice. One of them would have been excited enough to have the opportunity to play as a 3rd party.

I don't know about Computer, but I would hope that bo_sox would not have abandoned unless he had genuine real life issues, whether the role was exciting for him or not.

[bozotheclown]

Neither BunnyGo or damo stated any strong scum reads recently, I do not see a reason why they would have been targeted based on their reads. BunnyGo did move his vote around a lot D2, he likely was voting for a scum at some point. I could see that post by damo being interpreted as a cop crumb.

[bozotheclown]

Tbh, I doubt SK would get subbed out twice. One of them would have been excited enough to have the opportunity to play as a 3rd party.

I don't know about Computer, but I would hope that bo_sox would not have abandoned unless he had genuine real life issues, whether the role was exciting for him or not.

Maybe they did not care about getting subbed or killed because they were not concerned with adversely affecting their team.

[bozotheclown]

I don't understand this setup and I'm not going to spend my night trying to figure it out, but as I see it, we lynch both of these two in the next two days.

ORRRRRRRRRR we lynch outside of these two and actually learn something today.


I don't really care, personally.

Any suggestions? Frost? Hosu? I doubt we can get a wagon going

I don't even know who Frost and Hosu are lol

I know bo_sox is no longer around to defend this post, but I find it very hard believe that bo_sox did not know who Temasek was referring to, and there is no point in being deceptive about that as town.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 3.3

yavuzovic(3) - bozotheclown, FlaviusAetius, Tom Bombadil
purplecow(2) - ND, ItsHosuke
CmdrLikely(2) - xorxes, BionicMole
Chaqa(1) - Vecna
ItsHosuke(1) - Temasek22
FlaviusAetius(1) - CmdrLikely
bozotheclown(1) - purplecow
Tom Bombadil(1) - yavuzovic

Currently YAVUZOVIC is set to be lynched.

There's 24 hours and 15 minutes to go in Day 3.

[FlaviusAetius]

But in general, this game:

It's rather strange how a lot of the usual lynch-pushers have fallen to the backside, and how they've been so far caused by the usual sorta sheepy people. I don't think people actually expected for Frost's wagon to actually last the day, and (looking at the flimsy reasoning for some), had it as placeholder safety.

I dont buy it whatsoever, anyone who pushed frost made a big big mistake, and needs to be given a hard hard look at, including you, a lynch-pusher. Seems like you are projecting, no?

[FlaviusAetius]

Some random thoughts;

Im not sure whether to be happy with Xorxes' readslist or to be suspicious that he's copying general sentiment. There really are no "stand-out hot-takes" that Xorxes is normally prone to do as town. It feels like he's more or less, really at the same place as me......which begs the question; Are you copying me, bro?

The one thing I just cannot fathom from that list; Me on a team with Chaqa? After semi death-tunneling him? Why would I vote him if I knew he was likely gonna be cc'd? The truth of the matter, which I probably shouldnt even admit, was that I totally forgot he had made that claim when I voted him out of the gates on D2. His dance around the Bob wagon was extremely suspicious, which is why I wanted him dead. Also, this sentiment is from later on - Chaqa as town is generally a lot more care-nothing-in-your-face, here he seems to have this whole plan, and path-dependant shit going on. Im suspicious. Maybe for the wrong reasons, but I really dont like his shit.

EMC seems very happy to be buddy-buddy with me. In previous games when I was being less serious, he was showing a modicum of suspicion. Here there is very little of that. He just seems to be happy in this state of where he likes me and I like him. Which is all well and good. But it still leaves a bit of a sour taste. Maybe someone with a spreadsheet should compare this behavior with past games to see if my suspicion has some merit.

Ok, that turned out to be too much of a wall. To my defense, alcohol mightve played a role in these random ramblings.

xorxes isn't pushing, he's participating and thats a problem, because usually he's a town leader,a nd no longer. Thats ok though not everyone gets to play the same game each time, but what I see a problem with him, is that there's no sense of urgency. Like folks we just lost two town and no one is freaking out, we should be freaking out right now, we need to hit scum, so vote yavu

[FlaviusAetius]

Are you town Bunny?? I just don’t know what to make of you. My heart says town. My brain says town. But my gut says something is fishy about you

This is a nonsense comment, just the like he was making on Damo, he purposefully targetted them both, and only them both and look at that, they both die. Seems like someone was trying to use this as a defense

[FlaviusAetius]

And these are "reads" in the same sense of my own reads.

To elaborate on this, forgot to type the rest. "Reads" as in that it was implied or otherwise stated subtly, through commenting on the actions or questioning. Not much explicitly stated.

ontop of that last game xorxes steered clear from the scumslip and actually was on the case of people who did promote the scumslip(he was assasin) so its pretty clear him pushing a scum slip should make you think

[Temasek22]

##vote yavu

Next best thing I guess, I found the slot to be quite suspicious and no one is joining me on hosu

[Chaqa]

Can someone explain the case on yavu?

I really think voting for Vecna or Tom is better.

[xorxes]

##vote yavu

Next best thing I guess, I found the slot to be quite suspicious and no one is joining me on hosu

What do you find suspicious about Hosuke? He is not doing anything, but he never does anything as far as I can remember. Is there something specific he has done that you think he would not do as town?

[CmdrLikely]

I'm the lynch now.

I am not Jack the Ripper.
I don't refuse being a mafia member for now, but stop calling me Jack the Ripper.
If I were that, I would be seeking for gender counts and not VT PM.
If I was going to ask where the PMs are, I would ask this privately to GM. Not in the main thread.

Yavuzovic, what possible reason would you have for saying "I don't refuse being a mafia member for now"?