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Re: Century League Signups

#21 Post by damian » Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:22 pm

The games are unranked because the scoring system we're using in neither Sums of Squares (SoS) or Draw Size (DSS). Since the scoring for each game wouldn't match either of the ranking options the mods requested that I make all the games unranked, since scoring effects the way people play the mods prefer that the game are not included when running things like ghost ratings, since they goals for the players may be different.

As far as things to play for however, there is always the pride of doing well, and having your results saved on the tournament site, plus the mod team has been kind enough to offer prizes at the end of the tournament.

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Re: Century League Signups

#22 Post by SkiingCougar » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:00 pm

Fair enough. and yea obviously points aren't the only thing to play for, I joined this to see how I compared to others. I was just wondering.
Thanks :)

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Re: Century League Signups

#23 Post by ghug » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:19 am

Even when scoring is DSS or SoS, the unavoidable metagame of a tournament setting leads to people playing with goals other yav maximizing their scores. It's best to avoid conflicting motivations.

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Re: Century League Signups

#24 Post by Wusti » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:37 am

Damian, I am back from holiday and have unpaused - can you please kick off:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=213407
Thanks mate

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Re: Century League Signups

#25 Post by ag7433 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:03 pm

Let me know if you need another player.

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Re: Century League Signups

#26 Post by curupira » Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:52 am

"Cross-gaming is strictly prohibited and if will result in your removal from the league and may result in moderator action for metagaming."

We have three games each season. Two questions:
1 - The League Champion is declared each season or each year?
2 - Given the players in the second and third rounds know from the start the points accumulated by each player in the previous games, alliances motivated by eliminating the current leaders (in the tournment) would be considered cross-gaming or merely strategy?
3 - Do moderators have ways to monitor the metagaming activity if the answer to the question 2 is yes?

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Re: Century League Signups

#27 Post by damian » Thu Jan 11, 2018 2:02 am

1. Each Season
2. Merely strategy. Although for players who are behind eliminating the top players won't always be the best strategy. Additionally if players do decide to focus on eliminating a particular person they open themselves up to other more opportunistic players taking advantages of the openings left to maximize their own points.
3. We do have tools for monitoring cross gaming. Ideally we won't have to make use of them. There is a zero tolerance policy towards cross gaming, if anyone is proposing deals where you'll do something in one game if another player does something in a different game and we catch you I will remove you from the tournament immediately. The moderators may also dock you points or ban you....

I've seen a couple people ask about the scoring of the tournament.
You can find the details on the first page of this thread. Or on the tournament page http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/century-league

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Re: Century League Signups

#28 Post by leon1122 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:28 am

Yoak, the Russian player in the recently unpaused game, has not checked in on the game for 2 days and 17 hours. Please be sure to pause if necessary.

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Re: Century League Signups

#29 Post by damian » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:37 am

Thanks for the heads up. I'll make sure nobody NMR's in your game

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Re: Century League Signups

#30 Post by Claesar » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:43 am

leon1122 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:28 am
Yoak, the Russian player in the recently unpaused game, has not checked in on the game for 2 days and 17 hours. Please be sure to pause if necessary.
Aren't all games Wait-for-Orders nowadays?

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Re: Century League Signups

#31 Post by damian » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:45 am

Shhhhhh!

It's a big secret ;)
I got tired of waking up all hours of the day to try and keep games from NMRing so I got the mod team to let me make them all wait for orders.

I'll be keeping an eye on players who abuse this feature and subbing them out if it becomes a trend.

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Re: Century League Signups

#32 Post by leon1122 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:53 am

damian wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:45 am
I got tired of waking up all hours of the day to try and keep games from NMRing so I got the mod team to let me make them all wait for orders.
:o :o :o :o :o

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Re: Century League Signups

#33 Post by Wusti » Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:06 am

Good call Damo!

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Re: Century League Signups

#34 Post by damian » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:26 pm

The first game of the tournament has ended! The participants opted for an early draw in Spring 1908 http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=213401

I've posted the scores to the tournament site http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/cen ... inter-2018

But for you particularly lazy beavers I've also copied them here.
Micha (Austria, 9 Centers) = 48 points
Curupira ( Germany, 8 Centers) = 19.5 points
Mapu (Turkey, 8 Centers) = 19.5 points
JEccles (France, 6 Centers) = 7 points
CroakandDagger (England, 2 Centers) = 3 points
Condescension (Russia, 1 Center) = 2 points
Claesar (Italy, Eliminated) = 1 point

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Re: Century League Signups

#35 Post by chaserh11 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:49 pm

I can also play if you still need a sub for a game Just PM me

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Re: Century League Signups

#36 Post by damian » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:29 pm

Thanks Chaser I've added you to the Sub list.

We've had another game finish. The participants opted to draw in 1904. :|
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameI ... #gamePanel

Final scores
Durga (Turkey, 10 centres) = 49 points
Ayreon (Germany, 6 centres) = 17.5 points
Thaneofwhiterun (England, 6 centres) = 17.5 points
Yoyoyozo (France, 5 centres) = 6 points
Hellenic Riot (Italy, 4 centres) = 5 points
Ghug (Austria, 3 centres) = 4 points
The Hanged Man (Russia, Eliminated) = 1 point

As always you can find the scores on the tournament page
https://sites.google.com/site/phpdiplom ... 2018?pli=1

I'll be posting the draw and sending out link for the next set of games last week of January. With the goal of having them all started by early February.

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Re: Century League Signups

#37 Post by Yonni » Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:39 am

What on Earth was that??

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Re: Century League Signups

#38 Post by goldfinger0303 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:19 am

You know, for the first time I have taken a look at the scoring format for this tournament.

I see some deep, deep flaws in it. Might want to give it a re-work after this season.

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Re: Century League Signups

#39 Post by damian » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:45 am

I'm honestly pretty happy with the scoring system as it is.

I'm willing to listen to feedback. But its a scoring system that is/was commonly used for face to face tournaments in europe for years. So its designed to encourage a particular style of play.

Namely an emphasis on rapid shifting of power as people try and prevent someone from being the board leader. We haven't seen much of that yet but I think thats mostly the result of people not having bothered to read the scoring system

I suspect people will adapt after they see the scores for the first round. ;)

Anyway I'm happy to listen to complaints about the scoring system. But understand its designed to serve a particular goal so any proposed scoring system would have to address that just as well.

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Re: Century League Signups

#40 Post by goldfinger0303 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:31 am

I sent you a PM, Damian, because I don't want to go into more detail here

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