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Re: Southern Boarder

Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:13 am
by principians
As long as people feel they can have a much better and safer life in USA, even if they are illegal, they'll continue migrating, regardless af any kind of wall. I see only 2things that can convince people they'd better not migrate:

1. A genocide in the USA
2. A true improvement in life conditions in poor parts of México and Central America

The 2nd point will be harder with climate change that has been destroying traditional ways of life in the south. And will be hard without some help. Consider for instance this. The minimum wage in Mexico is moreless 7 dollars a day. Not an hour, a day. If you'll be 8 times better on the other side, you'll consider options to workaround a wall

Re: Southern Boarder

Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:02 pm
by Dejan0707
Hadrian's wall, Antonin Pio's wall, walls of Theodosius, north african wall, walls on the Rhein, walls on the Danube, Great China wall, Atlantic wall, Berlin wall, even the wall in the game of thrones. None of them worked. Humans are building walls for thousands of years that does not work.

Chance that Trump wall will succeed where all other failed is not very high.

If walls does not work, what can work? Canals might. Suez, Panama, Rhein-Danube, Black Sea to Caspian Sea, Attica, Kiel. Each one was profitable and strategic asset.

Why not instead of walls put canals. Northern one on Canadian border and southern one on Mexican. Make USA an island. Economic benefit like Panama and Suez, defensive benefit like Britain or Japan.

Re: Southern Boarder

Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:07 am
by orathaic
Chance that Trump wall will succeed where all other failed is not very high.
Given that the majority of 'illegal' immigrants fly into to US and then overstay their visas, I doubt the wall was ever considered an effective policy tool. More like an effective political one.

Make people afraid and they will focus on the fear while you steal their livelihoods, and quality of life through tax cuts for the super elite.

Re: Southern Boarder

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm
by MajorMitchell
I think that Trump's wall was most effective at enabling racist hatreds of Mexicans to continue to flourish within Trump's supporter base. Perhaps more citizens of the USA would support the Texan wall if it encircled Texas completely & kept all the Texans inside Texas, permanently.

Re: Southern Border

Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:51 pm
by orathaic
I think it had a considerable effect on seasonable workers from border towns who used to cross regularly for agri work and want to know they can return home easily and often.

This who entered by plane and overstayed a visa becoming 'illegal' were not affected.

Re: Southern Border

Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:42 pm
by Randomizer
orathaic wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:51 pm
This who entered by plane and overstayed a visa becoming 'illegal' were not affected.
That's because US immigration policy give preferred status to illegals that arrive, "by land," meaning by boat and plane over those who use other means. It is seen mostly in Florida.

Re: Southern Boarder

Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:01 am
by FriendBoy
MajorMitchell wrote:
Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:57 pm
I think that Trump's wall was most effective at enabling racist hatreds of Mexicans to continue to flourish within Trump's supporter base. Perhaps more citizens of the USA would support the Texan wall if it encircled Texas completely & kept all the Texans inside Texas, permanently.
Sounds discriminatory against Texans. What about Arizona?