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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#41 Post by flash2015 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:01 am

Poll by Fox News found that Americans are more confident in Biden's mental and physical capabilities than Trump's...showing that Trump's attacks on Biden's mental capabilities are not working and really dumb:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/americ ... ident-poll

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#42 Post by MajorMitchell » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:06 am

Good on you Crazy Anglican and your family for supporting Biden and Harris. I gave you a plus one.
@, Hooligannon, looks like a diatribe of Gammon from a Hoolagananon, your spin on the Biden selection as "they picked Biden because he's a bigger loser than their policies" Biden distracts from the underlying unpopularity of democratic party's leftie/socialist policies" as self delusional fantasy nonsense favoured by Trump advocates and those who embrace ultra Conservative policies themselves, it's just part of continuous right wing opposition to socialist policies spun for this election.
What the ever increasing resolution of Trump's base constituency, the problem for him.is the increasing opposition to him and the likelihood of disparate opposition portions of the national electorate becoming more United and more determined as each month goes by..and they're all going to get more determined to get rid of him, not less.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#43 Post by MajorMitchell » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:08 am

It's predictable that Harris will be portrayed by opponents as a token black woman on the ticket. Which will infuriate countless women regardless of their ethnicity and across surprising demographic groups/divisions in my opinion.
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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#44 Post by MajorMitchell » Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:12 am

When Hillary called Trump's supporters the deplorables it lacked the punch it now has, because so many more people think it's reasonable to assess Trump as deplorable and an increasing number of his supporters as such four years later

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#45 Post by Octavious » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:51 am

MajorMitchell wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:08 am
It's predictable that Harris will be portrayed by opponents as a token black woman on the ticket. Which will infuriate countless women regardless of their ethnicity and across surprising demographic groups/divisions in my opinion.
It may well have done, had the Democrats not decided to announce that they were looking for an ethnic minority woman and ruled out other candidates purely on ethnicity and gender. But because they did that it leaves her wide open to such an attack and gives something of a free pass to those making it.
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When Hillary called Trump's supporters the deplorables it lacked the punch it now has, because so many more people think it's reasonable to assess Trump as deplorable and an increasing number of his supporters as such four years later
I think the deplorables comment packed a great deal of punch, but all of it landed on the Democrats. If they tried it again I imagine a similar result, but Biden doesn't seem particularly inclined to try anything other than not be Trump. In terms of Trump's deplorable nature, I don't think his reputation in this regard will have got any worse. If anything it may have improved. It's his reputation for competence that's probably more vulnerable to attack, largely based on Covid-19. He's made some genuine strides forward in terms of Israel and the Middle East, but I don't think most Americans care all that much about such issues.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#46 Post by Randomizer » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:12 pm

Woodward's book is having less impact then him playing the tapes where people get to hear Trump speaking that he's lying to the public. Trump's Republican Congressmen are having to go on record as avoiding hearing the tapes.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#47 Post by flash2015 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:03 pm

MajorMitchell wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:08 am
It's predictable that Harris will be portrayed by opponents as a token black woman on the ticket. Which will infuriate countless women regardless of their ethnicity and across surprising demographic groups/divisions in my opinion.
Projection/deflection has been a big part of the Trumpian defence plan. Trump is corrupt? Don't actually defend...but say it is really other people that are corrupt. Trump lies a lot? Claim it is everyone else that is lying (and this gets to the "fake news" thing - anything at all that potentially criticises Trump is by definition "fake news"). Trump is incompetent, especially related to COVID? Claim it is everyone else that is incompetent (there is a particular obsession with going after Cuomo as his daily briefings were far better than the Trump briefings). Some Trump support is cultish in nature? Claim that anyone that disagrees with Trump has Trump Derangement Syndrome (which they shorten to TDS).

And then we get to this specific topic - Trump is a racist? Try and project that the democrats are the real racists even going back to the civil war to try and "prove it" (democrats were split between north and south at the time, so they must secretly still be pro slavery now). Of course they latch on to the Harris choice to claim that this is racism too...denying the fact that choosing politicians has always been about representation of specific groups.

If people are really upset about this, they aren't showing it. Polls have been relatively static for quite a long period of time. Unlike in 2016, it appears that most people have already made up their mind who they are voting for anyway. This election will more than anything else be decided on turnout.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#48 Post by flash2015 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:15 pm

MajorMitchell wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:12 am
When Hillary called Trump's supporters the deplorables it lacked the punch it now has, because so many more people think it's reasonable to assess Trump as deplorable and an increasing number of his supporters as such four years later
The deplorables comment was a big mistake. For years, Republicans have claimed that democrats are "elitist" and Hillary's comments just added fuel to the fire.

In this election Warren was guilty multiple times of doing something similar. See a clip like this where she cracks a joke about people who are against gay marriage:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr8-Ln3FK64

While it is red meat for her supporters (it was funny), it reinforces this elitist criticism.

Underneath all the misplaced xenophobia fed by Trump, there are legitimate concerns about job loss, rust belt decline, fear about change etc. To do better, Democrats need to speak more to the underlying concerns and not to the Trump misdirections.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#49 Post by Crazy Anglican » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:43 pm

Okay I am getting worried about the number of Biden - Harris signs I am not seeing.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#50 Post by Crazy Anglican » Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:48 pm

Not changing my vote or anything, from my neck of the woods though it looks like Trump supporters are out in droves and Biden supporters are on YouTube.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#51 Post by Octavious » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:01 pm

Can you usually make any judgements from that in the States? In the UK the left wing always has greater numbers in terms of volunteers and members of the public willing to put up posters. Partly because left wingers are impressively pro-active, and partly because Tory supporters are afraid lefties will see a Tory poster and lob a brick through their window. As such it's always been very hard to tell anything from a boots on the ground perspective here.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#52 Post by flash2015 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:37 pm

Crazy Anglican wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:48 pm
Not changing my vote or anything, from my neck of the woods though it looks like Trump supporters are out in droves and Biden supporters are on YouTube.
Can I ask which state are you in?

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#53 Post by Crazy Anglican » Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:05 pm

Georgia, no real surprise, but there was some thought we might go blue this time.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#54 Post by New England Fire Squad » Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:27 am

Crazy Anglican wrote:
Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:48 pm
Not changing my vote or anything, from my neck of the woods though it looks like Trump supporters are out in droves and Biden supporters are on YouTube.
Depends on where you live. In my town, it's pretty much all Trump. If I drive to the college town 20 minutes away, there's only blm and Biden signs.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#56 Post by flash2015 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:35 pm

Crazy Anglican wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:05 pm
Georgia, no real surprise, but there was some thought we might go blue this time.
You never know. It still isn't that far off. Fivethirtyeight currently gives Sleepy Joe better than a 1 in 3 chance of winning of winning Georgia.

I think at least partially the differences in signs could be due to the reasons why people are voting. At least from what I have experiences a lot of President Chaos voters absolutely love him and they are not shy about showing it...while democrat voters are energized to vote primarily by their dislike for President Chaos rather than their love for Sleepy Joe.

Trump supporters have been very active in my district (multiple rallies, fireworks, waking up the neighbourhood with their cars with muffler issues, another Trump car rally planned for October 3rd)...even though the chances of them flipping it are somewhere between buckleys and none.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#57 Post by flash2015 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:58 pm

In my district Republicans are not even fielding a congressional candidate...which is nuts (there is something horribly wrong with the political system for this to happen).

The democrat is effectively running unopposed (there is a "conservative party" candidate...but he is unlikely to bother the scorers). In 2018 the democrat ran completely unopposed.

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#58 Post by cormorant » Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:46 pm

flash2015 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:58 pm
In my district Republicans are not even fielding a congressional candidate...which is nuts (there is something horribly wrong with the political system for this to happen).

The democrat is effectively running unopposed (there is a "conservative party" candidate...but he is unlikely to bother the scorers). In 2018 the democrat ran completely unopposed.
2018 in my district a holocaust denier ran as the Republican so count your blessings.

What are you and your circle doing to push the needle in the run up to this most crucial election?

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#59 Post by orathaic » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:03 pm

flash2015 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:58 pm
In my district Republicans are not even fielding a congressional candidate...which is nuts (there is something horribly wrong with the political system for this to happen).

The democrat is effectively running unopposed (there is a "conservative party" candidate...but he is unlikely to bother the scorers). In 2018 the democrat ran completely unopposed.
You could always run yourself on independent platform, offering an alternative to the Democrats. That way democracy isn't so broken, the people get a choice, and the two-party system, well it still sucks, but not having a republican candidate isn't the end of the world...

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Re: All aboard the Biden train!!

#60 Post by flash2015 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:29 pm

orathaic wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:03 pm
flash2015 wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:58 pm
In my district Republicans are not even fielding a congressional candidate...which is nuts (there is something horribly wrong with the political system for this to happen).

The democrat is effectively running unopposed (there is a "conservative party" candidate...but he is unlikely to bother the scorers). In 2018 the democrat ran completely unopposed.
You could always run yourself on independent platform, offering an alternative to the Democrats. That way democracy isn't so broken, the people get a choice, and the two-party system, well it still sucks, but not having a republican candidate isn't the end of the world...
I am not saying it is wrong that a democrat wins...but I am concerned about democracy when there are no choices.

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