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I don't think it is strange for diplomacy players to think about the politics of independence, to recognise map borders can and do change...

And so I think of myself as fairly well read. I know where Kurdistan is, and Tibet. I have an idea how small the independence movement in Cornwall is, and how much independence the Isle of Man actually currently has (not in the EU, nor in the UK, but represented in the UN by the UK...). But I didn't really know there was any independence movement in the North of England; or that they would consider joining Scotland!

See: https://www.change.org/p/the-uk-governm ... n-scotland

What other movements am I missing? And does anyone have decent maps?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ations.gif

Starting here, the US sans the autonomous Indians Reservations. (how much autonomy they have, how likely it is they will ever get recognition beyond US borders... That isn't in question. Merely that they should have different sovereignty and this should be recognised on maps).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ed.svg.png

China deserves similar treatment. These 'autonomous' regions are currently suffering from various forms of cultural destruction, population replacement, and suppression. Tibet (Xizang), Uyghuristan (Xinjiang), Inner Mongolia, Zhuang(Guangxi), and Ningxia.

Without even mentioning the existence of Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau.

Russia as a federal state has more complexity, ethnic diversity, variation, along with approximately 31 independence movements.

Just looking at the autonomous republics, you get these 22.
https://images.app.goo.gl/n2QTh3Ch8vkUJGG8A

(i haven't been very fair to the US, I entirely forgot Puerto Rico, effectively a US colony. They get federal taxation without representation, they voted to become the 51st state, but the rest of the States (United) seem to have surged that one off.

Puerto Ricans seems a little too Spanish for White America, unlike Hawaii whose annexation effectively an invasion of private white citizens has made the locals a minority on their own islands.)

US citizens from US colonies like Samoa also have trouble being recognized when they move or visit the US since they are usually considered nationals but not citizens.

https://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archi ... knSe-liOis

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/commen ... _1436_607/

Map of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organisation.

orathaic wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:17 pm

<snip>Puerto Rico... voted to become the 51st state, but the rest of the States (United) seem to have surged that one off.
<snip>

*shrugged not surged. Dang autocorrect.

I hate to break it to you, Ora, but there is no independence movement in the north of England. What you have found there is a joke.

50,000 people signed that petition, that level of support wouldn't surprise me (it is like a % of people in Cornwall who want Cornish independence). You may consider their chances of success a joke.

That petition isn't the only one, there is also a (at least one) political party:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Party

Yes, Ora. And did you see how many votes they won? It's fewer than you'd expect if only the friends and family of the party officials and candidates voted :p.

Hey, I didn't say they were viable. But then most third parties in the First past the post system you've got tend to fair poorly due to tactical voting.

My point is merely, if real people try to run a real political party (or a few parties, apparently the Yorkshire party also exists) why would you not believe that 50 thousand of so would prefer to be a significant part of Scotland rather than a largely ignored part of England (or so one can presume they feel, based on the existance of these minor parties...)

Because, Ora, over a third of a million Brits claimed their religion to Jedi in the census a few years back. People in Britain sign all sorts of things that they don't actually believe. I've been a member of the flat earth society since the late 90s. You can't draw conclusions from it.

Don't forget the good people of Mercia. I recently made a short film on their campaign for independence!

https://youtu.be/kZB8ue_fOQA

MaxLondon wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:04 pm

Don't forget the good people of Mercia. I recently made a short film on their campaign for independence!

https://youtu.be/kZB8ue_fOQA

That was a nice little film. The proponents are logical, even in their powerlessness.

The Corsicans, the bretons, the basques,
the catalans, and the isle of mans,
Cape Bretoners and Newfoundlanders,
Palestinians, and who else?
the Quebecois, the icelanders - succesful, the greenlanders, not yet successful
The Scottish and their friends on the Orkney and Shetland islands.
All have some kind of beef with the Peace of Westphalia.

In particular, I like the karen ethnic group in Myanmar - they have been fighting the world's longest insurgency, since 1946, with the hope of becoming a nation state.

Reminds me of the real world cup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONIFA_World_Football_Cup

MaxLondon wrote: ↑

Thu Jan 21, 2021 7:04 pm

Don't forget the good people of Mercia. I recently made a short film on their campaign for independence!

https://youtu.be/kZB8ue_fOQA

Londoners will be properly pissed off if a handful of Brummie hippies march up to them and demand the city back for the greater glory of Mercia .

The good people of Mercia will have their arses handed to them by the more competent people of Wessex, Wales, and the North. Some things are eternal.

Not really an independence movement but a significant portion of the population of Northern Ireland/The north of Ireland want to join the south of Ireland.

My sense is that there could well be a border poll in the next decade.

And don’t forget Wales. Much more unlikely that anything will change, but you never know.

I think irish reunification and Scottish Independence will propel the issue in Wales forward. Don't know if it will be another 20 years before it is taken seriously, or if England will decide to leave/end the UK first...

That said, Welsh, Cornish and Breton are all part of one language family, and I would love to see their revival and success.