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I've never understood the love some people have for Budvar. It's not rubbish, but it's not particularly special either. Better that than the dishwater known as weissbier though.

The Belgian stuff is pretty good, I grant you.

I'm pretty boring, LOVING a good old Guinness. Is that awful of me?

shigzeo wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:35 am

I'm pretty boring, LOVING a good old Guinness. Is that awful of me?

Shun him! Swap your Guinness for a locally made milk stout or forever be a pariah!

I quite like Guinness too :p. At home it can be fun to add a shot of port, but it's a bit expensive when in a pub.

peterlund wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:05 pm

Being the supreme beer expert in this forum, I hereby announce ...

The FINAL SCORE
1. Clearly best: Belgian Trappist beer
2. German Weißbier
3. Czech Budweiser and other Czech beers.
4. English Ale
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999. American Budweiser

But what about PBR?

Being an American who has visited numerous towns in Germany as well as Prague, London, and Oslo, I've got to say that German pilsners can't be beat within their own variety. The problem is that Germans don't make much else. Dunkels are good, but it's hard to find English-style beers like stouts or porters or IPAs.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not a huge IPA fan. They are nice from time to time but are overdone. But the American beer scene is definitely more varied than German beers and often better, except when it comes to pilsners. I've met multiple Germans who have come to America and love the variety. I got one hooked on the different oatmeal/cream/etc. stouts as well as various porters, and he loves them.

Also, there's no way that Brits should brag about their bitters. Those things are disgusting. Budweiser deserves its place at the bottom as well, as does Miller and Coors and PBR, along with all of their lite versions--absolute swill that shouldn't have the right of calling itself beer.

@jwoel

Depends what you call bitter. Not so long ago beer was divided into lager, bitter, and stout, with bitter being a catholic term for all varieties of real ale as well as well as the more mass produced industrial bitters like John Smiths and Tetleys. To be honest, whilst some of them are undrinkable, ones like Caffreys aren't too bad and make a decent starter pint.

For the record, IPAs are not that great lets drop half a kilo of hops in here, and make the shit unbearable. Some of them are okay for me, but i honestly cant seem to find one that fits my taste.

I have even made 3 or 4 of the more mild ones, and they just dont give me the same type of pleasure a good Brown Ale does

I'm a big fan of a citrusy IPA on a hot day, but for the most part, I agree with you. The craze is annoying, and I'm grateful for the wealth of other options.

At the risk of appearing condescending... perhaps the Europeans (etc.) who belittle American brew, are criticizing the main public big name beers... that USED to be respected (i.e. Coors?) But now are... not so good.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:02 am

At the risk of appearing condescending... perhaps the Europeans (etc.) who belittle American brew, are criticizing the main public big name beers... that USED to be respected (i.e. Coors?) But now are... not so good.

Having a few craft breweries does not a beer powerhouse make. How about you line up the highest selling brands from each country and rate THEM against each other?

that would prove beyond a reasonable doubt that American's don't have a clue about beer :)

Wusti wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:03 am

How about you line up the highest selling brands from each country and rate THEM against each other?

Wait, you think that a comparison between Foster's and Bud is relevant? Is that really the type of beer you drink? Have you no self-respect at all?

So "Powerhouse" means 'best beer?'
meh
Sales doesn't equate with quality. Or people with taste would eat at McDonald's. Democratic principles do not determine what is good.

1554 (Black Lager) is my new favorite. Deep dark without the bitter aftertaste. AND makes great beer bread.

peterlund wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 19, 2018 7:05 pm

Being the supreme beer expert in this forum, I hereby announce ...

The FINAL SCORE
1. Clearly best: Belgian Trappist beer
2. German Weißbier
3. Czech Budweiser and other Czech beers.
4. English Ale
.
.
999. American Budweiser

Budweiser is awful but there are many many beers worse than it sold generally in groceries and drinkeroes around the world. I give you EVWRT Korean beer. Sweet as sin and otherwise tasteless. Bud is like a fine Czech pilsner next to any and all of them.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:50 am

So "Powerhouse" means 'best beer?'
meh
Sales doesn't equate with quality. Or people with taste would eat at McDonald's. Democratic principles do not determine what is good.

People with taste do eat at McDonald's. God, but this forum is full of snobs

lol
I eat at McDonald's a lot. But not when I am displaying, "taste." Context, man.

Belgian Trappist beer*s* (because there are many different ones) are 1 category above the others. Beer (and cheese) are as special in Belgium than wine can be in France. But you have to taste and compare to be convinced.

Are Trappists gay?

shigzeo wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:26 am

Are Trappists gay?

What a weird question. I would have thought generally not. They are monks, and mostly celibate, I believe.

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:05 am

shigzeo wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 22, 2018 12:26 am

Are Trappists gay?

What a weird question. I would have thought generally not. They are monks, and mostly celibate, I believe.

It's an internet meme: 'are traps gay?'

I thought I'd throw colour into this. I love trappist beer. In fact, it was my favourite for over a decade, the murkier the better.