Why is porn not an objective good? And what makes other industries an objective good? I was going to mention specifics, but I don't really want to engage in whataboutism- just saying that I don't see why Porn is viewed as something that needs to be outlawed.Fluminator wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:17 pm
I mean, we can go into how every every capitalist industry views people as commodities and abuses them, and yes most industries are evil, but they can at least provide objectively good things to benefit society. Is it really a bad thing if there's no industry that trains partakers to view people as sexual objects.
Ok, to engage a bit in this, why not sports? Sports are a lot more normalizezd, hurt their performers A LOT more, encourage more violence, ect. ect...
Well, I mean more that porn provides a way to understand and process desires, not a basic education about what sex is and how it works. Also, as far as violent and abusive goes, well, what does that mean? Are we talking about just basic BDSM practices? Are we talking about snuff films? Because I do think snuff films should probably not be normalized, sure. But someone ***removed b/c webdiplomacy does not need details***? I mean people do want that outside of porn- and I don't see a problem with people sharing representations of people doing that.Fluminator wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:17 pmI respect the opinion that porn is needed to provide people with sex-ed, but from what I've heard from testimonies of ex-porn addicts and sex workers, porn is getting more and more violent, abusive, and I don't really think it's the best thing for young kids to be using for sex-ed.
Who are the pimps? What are pimps? Why do you have these weird fantasies about "taking them out" to protect victims? I suppose this is part of our gap- your desires of protecting helpless victims through violence is just the same thing as pornography to me- they both are fantasical day dreams that might reveal a lot of base desires, but because of that are impossible to regulate or controlFluminator wrote: ↑Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:17 pmOnlyfans is perhaps a less abusive method of porn, I could see an argument to let that stay legal, but any form of pimping out other people should basically be banned.
Trafficking and deepfakes may be illegal, but they thrive because people don't care because they want their porn whatever the source. I get that the more strict you are in outlawing these, the more underground and dangerous it will go, but I want it to be more dangerous for them. I want the pimps to be so underground that they can't even show their face to sunlight without getting taken out. At least the victims can know society is trying to protect them then.
Anyway- have to leave soon so to quickly go over the rest of this- LOL at the Anime bit. I do think you might be trolling with that paragraph, but part of why I have to go quickly is because I have an anime convention I'm going to, so I think you've checkmated me with your creepy and ill adjusted comment. Bravo
Robots aren't gonna give us benefits without working- we're gonna have to do a lot more suffering and a lot more pimping via the government.
As far as PornHub goes, I'm sure they're a bunch of assholes, but they're providing a basic hosting platform for content that isn't allowed elsewhere BECAUSE it isn't allowed elsewhere. If you want to shut them down for doing things you don't like, well, the people posting are gonna have to scurry somewhere else. Because of the way the internet works, you're gonna have to illegalize having the content AT ALL if you want to actually shut these websites down, and if you make porn illegal in general, that will mean only fans will have to go away too. They don't exist seperately afetrall- they're all the same system.