Can a convoyed army cut support aimed at the convoy

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Can a convoyed army cut support aimed at the convoy

#1 Post by FxFocus » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:18 pm

Hope that makes sense.
My instinct says no but I have been known to be wrong... once..! ;)

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#2 Post by DarthPorg36 » Wed Aug 17, 2022 1:35 pm

isn't that the diplomacy paradox? I don't remember how it's resolved though


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#4 Post by Chaqa » Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:53 pm

I kinda feel like in the situation they provide, the german fleet should take the channel.

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#5 Post by Ferdack » Wed Aug 17, 2022 3:42 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 2:53 pm
I kinda feel like in the situation they provide, the german fleet should take the channel.
But that's the whole premise of the paradox.

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#6 Post by kestasjk » Wed Aug 17, 2022 6:31 pm

Here are our DATC tests on convoys: https://webdiplomacy.net/datc.php#section6

If you see 6.F.14 - TEST CASE, SIMPLE CONVOY PARADOX
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It doesn't cut support, the original test case is here: http://web.inter.nl.net/users/L.B.Kruijswijk/#6.F.14

The justification is here: http://web.inter.nl.net/users/L.B.Kruijswijk/#4.A.2

It amounts to: The 2000 rulebook says "A convoyed Army does not cut the support of a unit supporting an attack against one of the fleets necessary for the army to convoy." but this is a bit vague, doesn't account for certain situations, and conflicts with other rules.

So the "Simon Szykman rule" is used, which gives the same results for the most part but isn't ambiguous or contradictory with other rules: "If a situation arises in which an army's convoy order results in a paradoxical adjudication, the moves of all involved convoying armies fail and have no effect on the place where they were ordered to convoy."

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