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Clarification

#1 Post by Mike213 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:56 am

In the Ancient Mediterranean can a fleet in Baleares be used to convoy an army? On the variant homepage it is written that a fleet can be used for convoy so I need clarification.
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Re: Clarification

#2 Post by Mercy » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:20 am

No, a fleet in Baleares cannot convoy an army. Good question.
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Re: Clarification

#3 Post by Claesar » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:04 pm

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/variants.php#AncMed
Special rules/information:

Differing from the rules of the original variant, a fleet occupying the Baleares may not be used to convoy an army using the normal convoy rules.

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Re: Clarification

#4 Post by Mike213 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:19 pm

Can an army be convoyed there by a fleet?
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Re: Clarification

#5 Post by Claesar » Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:36 pm

Mike213 wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:19 pm
Can an army be convoyed there by a fleet?
Yes, if the fleet is in an adjacent body of water i.e. Berber or Ligurian Sea.

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Re: Clarification

#6 Post by Mike213 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:47 pm

Thanks that was helpful

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Re: Clarification

#7 Post by ChippeRock » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:32 pm

Claesar wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:36 pm
Mike213 wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:19 pm
Can an army be convoyed there by a fleet?
Yes, if the fleet is in an adjacent body of water i.e. Berber or Ligurian Sea.
I'm going to get ahead of this next question: Can an army in Baleares move to Tarraco or Saguntum and vice versa?

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Re: Clarification

#8 Post by Claesar » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:27 pm

ChippeRock wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:32 pm
I'm going to get ahead of this next question: Can an army in Baleares move to Tarraco or Saguntum and vice versa?
Not without a convoy.

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Re: Clarification

#9 Post by Mike213 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:16 am

If there is an army in Baleares and it is dislodged then will it be disbanded automatically? Or can it retreat via convoy?
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Re: Clarification

#10 Post by Claesar » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:37 am

Mike213 wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:16 am
If there is an army in Baleares and it is dislodged then will it be disbanded automatically? Or can it retreat via convoy?
It will be disbanded. Units can never retreat via convoys.
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Re: Clarification

#11 Post by jochadwi » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:15 am

The order tool permits an order of A(SAG) to BAL WITHOUT A CONVOY requirement.

will this go through?
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Re: Clarification

#12 Post by captainmeme » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:23 am

jochadwi wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:15 am
The order tool permits an order of A(SAG) to BAL WITHOUT A CONVOY requirement.

will this go through?
That's an unfortunate quirk of the system. This move needs a convoy, otherwise it won't go through, regardless of what the order tool says.
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Re: Clarification

#13 Post by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:35 am

Indeed.

If it would be possible for an army to move by convoy from A to B, then the system will allow you to order the army from A to B, even if you don't also order a relevant fleet to provide the convoy.

The army's order would be a valid order, but would fail.

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Re: Clarification

#14 Post by gimix » Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:16 pm

Now i'm a bit confused... i don't have the possibility to test the specific case right now, but let's recap:

If a convoy from A to B is possible, which means: 1. there is a sea path linking coast sector A to coast sector B, and 2. there is a fleet (from any country) in every sea sector on that path - then the move order is valid and the order tool should offer it; whether the fleet(s) involved receive the corresponding convoy order(s) or not is irrelevant as long as order validity is concerned: it's like when you set a support order, and then the supported unit does something different - the order is valid, but it just fails.

The order tool on the other hand is expected to show that move with the "(via convoy)" specification.

So if the option is "The army at A move to B (via convoy)" this is perfect; if instead the option is simply "The army at A move to B", or even "The army at A move to B (via land)", then there is something wrong

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Re: Clarification

#15 Post by Squigs44 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:33 am

I remember looking into this once, but I can't remember what I found out. Obviously not enough to warrant a change.

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Re: Clarification

#16 Post by Claesar » Tue Jun 09, 2020 9:30 am

I believe it's a known bug specific to Baleares.

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