MAFIA 39 - GAME THREAD

[y2kjbk]

i was also put off by how ghug was urging me to town-read brainbomb and basically said if brainbomb is scum, don't worry he's already deserved the win

[DemonRHK]

I don’t see Durga’s play as scummy offhand, but I haven’t read her in iso. I feel there are much better lynch options.

Rd should flip first. Failing that it should be Yavu and I. And finally failing that it should be Ghug.

[y2kjbk]

how do you not believe rdr's sticky armor-acquired roleblock?

[rdrivera2005]

Well, I was doing some reading and thinking. If I just read the game and forget a bit about items my main scumreads are ND, Durga and Ghug in this order.
If I consider the items and the claims, the most likely to have RBed me is Yav. He almost convinced me claiming Shield. But I think scum probably roleblocked and killed Bozo and if Bozo had the Shield they will know that the RB failed (I asked GM about this, waiting an answer) and that Bozo have the shield. So claiming Shield is a safe thing for scum under pressure as it's a clearing item and it can't be desproved (Armour is another safe claim to scum, that's why I was scumreading Vecna so hard).

Considering both, I am down for lynching ND or Yav today.

##vote ND for now while I wait for GM.

[rdrivera2005]

I don’t see Durga’s play as scummy offhand, but I haven’t read her in iso. I feel there are much better lynch options.

Rd should flip first. Failing that it should be Yavu and I. And finally failing that it should be Ghug.

Demon, could you give a scum motivation for me to claim RB, sticky and Armour? With Yav claiming Armour and other Armour around (you seem to believe Vecna)?

[damo666]

I don’t see Durga’s play as scummy offhand, but I haven’t read her in iso. I feel there are much better lynch options.

Rd should flip first. Failing that it should be Yavu and I. And finally failing that it should be Ghug.

Echo others' rdrivera cooments and also what about ND ?

[yavuzovic]

##vote ND
He has been quiet and sometimes lurky. Also he didn't even contribute but he always accused Durga for.doing the same. If you think Durga is clear, then it must be ND.

[damo666]

brain - I think I got Y2k off your back (almost anyway)

[damo666]

Fav ND ghug
2nd fav ND Vecna

[yavuzovic]

Rivera is almost clear to me. I'm still not sure about Durga, maybe it's Durga-ND insulting each other game. ghug - Durga sounds possible too. If people continues Durga wagon I will vote her.again. I'm good with either wagon. Vecna claimed armour and told us he still has it. I want to believe him here, mafia could claim something less risky - especially after rivera claimed an armour sticked on him. Hmmm, maybe a town fakeclaims here to catch a scum gambler?

[damo666]

Rivera is almost clear to me. I'm still not sure about Durga, maybe it's Durga-ND insulting each other game. ghug - Durga sounds possible too. If people continues Durga wagon I will vote her.again. I'm good with either wagon. Vecna claimed armour and told us he still has it. I want to believe him here, mafia could claim something less risky - especially after rivera claimed an armour sticked on him. Hmmm, maybe a town fakeclaims here to catch a scum gambler?

Yav it can't be ghug-Durga if rdrivera truthful about armour getting stuck to him.

[Jamiet99uk]

brainbomb, i'm happy to discuss with you the possibilities of how i didn't start with a nurse's kit.

##Call GM: can you let them do this in private please

I do not understand this question. If it is a serious GM call you will need to make it clear what you are asking.

[brainbomb]

Any combination is possible damo. Stop focusing on items and item.claims. look beyond just mechanical stuff.

Look at play. Look at interactions. The puzzle wont be complete just tryinh to match what scum had what item. Scum can fake-each others stuff. Scum can guess whats on dead bodies. Scum wouldve been disinclined to wait til the end to claim. If yer scum the last thing you want in a massclaim game is to be LATE to claim.

Durga absolutely can be scum and her teammate us fucking irrelevant. Going on a goose chase to find who on scum had an armor isnt the strategy we should pursue. We should just simply lynch scummy ppl.

Ghug isnt scummy
Vecna isnt scummy
Rivera isnt scummy

[rdrivera2005]

Just want to inform that GM answered that scum did not get any info about the roleblock. This make impossible for them to know Shield was out of play and less likely Yav are scum (he could still have gambled on it, but it's a stretch). So, I am staying on ND.

[y2kjbk]

Any combination is possible damo. Stop focusing on items and item.claims. look beyond just mechanical stuff.

Look at play. Look at interactions. The puzzle wont be complete just tryinh to match what scum had what item. Scum can fake-each others stuff. Scum can guess whats on dead bodies. Scum wouldve been disinclined to wait til the end to claim. If yer scum the last thing you want in a massclaim game is to be LATE to claim.

Durga absolutely can be scum and her teammate us fucking irrelevant. Going on a goose chase to find who on scum had an armor isnt the strategy we should pursue. We should just simply lynch scummy ppl.

Ghug isnt scummy
Vecna isnt scummy
Rivera isnt scummy

you're not looking at scum-reads instead of item-claims though, you're looking at scum-reads and ignoring items almost completely. at least if you actually suspected me.

[brainbomb]

I want to re raise my main point is that durga thought the guns shoot live. She didnt read her item because she was enamoured with reading her maf team reread squiggs defenses of durgas claim. He sheltered her from scrutiny

[brainbomb]

Im sayimg youre talking about a game where items and actions are 1/3 of thec
Equation and youre taking 2/3 of what makes mafia - mafia out of it to make it into a guessing game of who lied about an item and hoping that vulnerable ppl who claimed late are the culprits.

Its pretty shit to late claim as scum in a game where everyone will claim.

Y2k is still not sharing a single townread.

Durgas only townreads are the alleged clears. Everytime she calls someone town she goes back on it. Shes trying to keep enumerable amounts of slots all viable.

[y2kjbk]

and isn't it WIFOM to assume townies would openly claim their items as quickly as you did?

[brainbomb]

Since investigator is a 1 time item its optimal to use it asap get a clear or a scum scan and hope repair kit is villager

[rdrivera2005]

and isn't it WIFOM to assume townies would openly claim their items as quickly as you did?

Please don't get back to antagonizing BB. We are starting to get back to a normal game