Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[ghug]

Claimed scans by cops:

Brain (Methodical):
N1 - Sweet Inno
N2 - Will guilty
N3 - Kotp inno

Will (SJS):
N1 - ghug not cop/Judge
N2 - KOTP is cop/Judge
N3 - Food not cop/Judge

Kak (Parity):
N1 - rdr
N2 - worcej paired with red
N3 - ghug, died

Kotp (Vanilla):
N1 - roleblocked
N2 - ND not vanilla
N3 - Snowy vanilla

ND (Macho):
N1 - Dip&War guilty
N2 - worcej inno
N3 - Unknown, died

##CALLGM how does the interaction between parity cop and PA Angel work? Assuming parity cop scans town player A N1 and town player B N2, what is the result if:
1. PA Angel targets A N1
2. PA Angel targets A N2
3. PA Angel targets B N1
4. PA Angel targets B N2

[ghug]

So, from my perspective, these are the options:
1. Snowy is the Junior Angel, and thus scanned vanilla despite being scum.
2. Snowy was targeted by the PA Angel night 3, and thus scanned vanilla despite being scum.
3. Will and brain are both scum.
4. Chaqa and Balki are both scum (this would require rd or worcej to claim doctor).
5. Kotp is fakeclaiming
6. One of worcej and rd was targeted by the PA. TBD based on my GM call.

Anything I'm missing?

I'm praying for 4. 5 seems pretty much impossible.

Based on the likelihoods and my reads, I think from most likely scum to least likely goes:
Snowy
Worcej
Rdr
Brain&Will
Kotp

Obviously Chaqa and Balki shoot up if one of the clears claim doctor and I'm assuming at least one of them is scum regardless, but we'll deal with that if it comes.

[ghug]

Town:
ghug
rd
worcej
kotp
brain
Balki or Chaqa or snowy

Unsorted scum
Balki or Chaqa
Will
Damo
Demon

Angels:
Snowy (both ways he's not town are angel-related)

Judges:
DrF

Anyone have cause to sort the others (or me, I guess)?

[sweetandcool]

GM Note:

Editing posts is strictly for forbidden.

Also, I am not sure as to what the answer would be to your question, ghug (though I have a good guess).

I think we should wait for Jamiet to answer it.

[ghug]

4 Angel Gang: D&W
3 Dark Judges:

12 Town:
0-1 Cop*
0-1 Addictive Cop*
0-1 Macho Cop*: ND
0-1 Naive Cop*
0-1 Methodical Cop: Brain
0-1 Parity Cop: Kak
0-1 Vanilla Cop: Kotp
0-1 SJS Cop: Will
0-1 Psychic Cop
1-2 Doctor: Balki, Chaqa
4-7 PRs: ND, Kak, Brain, Kotp, Will, Balki, Chaqa
5-8 Vanilla Citizens: Hamilton, Sweet, Vecna, Food, ghug

Unclaimed:
rd, worcej, Snowy, Fid, damo, RHK

Confirmed
Claimed
Scanned town

Missed the PR row before.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The exact list, to my best discernment, being as follows:

Assuming:
1) brain is cop and Will is scum
2) only ONE of the two doctor claimants (Chaqa, Balki) are true

The following players are scum
1. Chaqa OR Balki
2. ghug
3. DemonRHK
4. DrFidelis
5. damo666
6. Will

Unless Chaqa isn't high on steroids and worcej/rivera are both scum, which... honestly we can't be blamed for losing if this is true

I seriously think we should at least consider the possibility they are both scum.

But we should still flip ghug, Will, etc.

I am considering it. But it's not really actionable right now, regardless I would say.

I think the safest bet is in fact Will personally, though I am open to shooting judges in particular as they have all the kill power if anyone has any guesses

Mine is DrFidelis judge, based on Dip's scum slip argument which was rather enthusiastic, which makes me want to flip there first

No this is not the safest bet what

Would someone like Demon be the safest bet?

I mean seriously

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Honestly this is the most fun I’ve had all game

Ima watch as the big 5 (snowy, damo, Ghug, Demon, DrFid) all turn on each other. This is art

[Balki Bartokomous]

Nobody was gonna believe my claim anyway lolololol

But when I die and flip cop PLEASE do not let brain coast to the end PLEASE

I thought you believed him?

I mean don’t let him just ride of his cop claim without scrutiny. And the way this is going I am very worried about that happening

Really?

I just don’t buy this. Nobody in JustWill’s position is worried that Brainbomb gets left alone after JustWill flips Town.

I am really having trouble believing JustWill AND Brainbomb.

[sweetandcool]

Claimed scans by cops:

Brain (Methodical):
N1 - Sweet Inno
N2 - Will guilty
N3 - Kotp inno

Will (SJS):
N1 - ghug not cop/Judge
N2 - KOTP is cop/Judge
N3 - Food not cop/Judge

Kak (Parity):
N1 - rdr
N2 - worcej paired with red
N3 - ghug, died

Kotp (Vanilla):
N1 - roleblocked
N2 - ND not vanilla
N3 - Snowy vanilla

ND (Macho):
N1 - Dip&War guilty
N2 - worcej inno
N3 - Unknown, died

##CALLGM how does the interaction between parity cop and PA Angel work? Assuming parity cop scans town player A N1 and town player B N2, what is the result if:
1. PA Angel targets A N1
2. PA Angel targets A N2
3. PA Angel targets B N1
4. PA Angel targets B N2

GM Answer:

Actually, I can confidently answer this:
Parity Cop receives no result N1.

1. Parity Cop receives correct result. (Same Faction)
2. Parity Cop receives correct result.
3. Parity Cop receives correct result.
4. Parity Cop receives false result. (Different Faction)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I thought you believed him?

I mean don’t let him just ride of his cop claim without scrutiny. And the way this is going I am very worried about that happening

Really?

I just don’t buy this. Nobody in JustWill’s position is worried that Brainbomb gets left alone after JustWill flips Town.

I am really having trouble believing JustWill AND Brainbomb.

Well if I flip cop this round do you flip brain next?

Of course not.

And after that?

No

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

This is just too funny

When I get into spec chat ima have a foken BALL

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

So because I scanned ghug and it came up FALSE, ghug is an Angel.

So ##VOTE DRFID

[ghug]

Claimed scans by cops:

Brain (Methodical):
N1 - Sweet Inno
N2 - Will guilty
N3 - Kotp inno

Will (SJS):
N1 - ghug not cop/Judge
N2 - KOTP is cop/Judge
N3 - Food not cop/Judge

Kak (Parity):
N1 - rdr
N2 - worcej paired with red
N3 - ghug, died

Kotp (Vanilla):
N1 - roleblocked
N2 - ND not vanilla
N3 - Snowy vanilla

ND (Macho):
N1 - Dip&War guilty
N2 - worcej inno
N3 - Unknown, died

##CALLGM how does the interaction between parity cop and PA Angel work? Assuming parity cop scans town player A N1 and town player B N2, what is the result if:
1. PA Angel targets A N1
2. PA Angel targets A N2
3. PA Angel targets B N1
4. PA Angel targets B N2

GM Answer:

Actually, I can confidently answer this:
Parity Cop receives no result N1.

1. Parity Cop receives correct result. (Same Faction)
2. Parity Cop receives correct result.
3. Parity Cop receives correct result.
4. Parity Cop receives false result. (Different Faction)

What's the logic behind 1? Feels counterintuitive.

But regardless, I believe that means that worcej is the one that would have been PAed, unless they both were.

[sweetandcool]

Claimed scans by cops:

Brain (Methodical):
N1 - Sweet Inno
N2 - Will guilty
N3 - Kotp inno

Will (SJS):
N1 - ghug not cop/Judge
N2 - KOTP is cop/Judge
N3 - Food not cop/Judge

Kak (Parity):
N1 - rdr
N2 - worcej paired with red
N3 - ghug, died

Kotp (Vanilla):
N1 - roleblocked
N2 - ND not vanilla
N3 - Snowy vanilla

ND (Macho):
N1 - Dip&War guilty
N2 - worcej inno
N3 - Unknown, died

##CALLGM how does the interaction between parity cop and PA Angel work? Assuming parity cop scans town player A N1 and town player B N2, what is the result if:
1. PA Angel targets A N1
2. PA Angel targets A N2
3. PA Angel targets B N1
4. PA Angel targets B N2

GM Answer:

Actually, I can confidently answer this:
Parity Cop receives no result N1.

1. Parity Cop receives correct result. (Same Faction)
2. Parity Cop receives correct result.
3. Parity Cop receives correct result.
4. Parity Cop receives false result. (Different Faction)

What's the logic behind 1? Feels counterintuitive.

But regardless, I believe that means that worcej is the one that would have been PAed, unless they both were.

The logic behind 1:

Since Parity Cop receives no result N1, it can't be flipped. Also, the PA Angel's power is not persistent across nights, so it cannot affect Parity Cop's N2 result, unless it targets the Parity Cop's N2 target.

Thus, it only comes into effect for case 4.

[ghug]

GM Answer:

Actually, I can confidently answer this:
Parity Cop receives no result N1.

1. Parity Cop receives correct result. (Same Faction)
2. Parity Cop receives correct result.
3. Parity Cop receives correct result.
4. Parity Cop receives false result. (Different Faction)

What's the logic behind 1? Feels counterintuitive.

But regardless, I believe that means that worcej is the one that would have been PAed, unless they both were.

The logic behind 1:

Since Parity Cop receives no result N1, it can't be flipped. Also, the PA Angel's power is not persistent across nights, so it cannot affect Parity Cop's N2 result, unless it targets the Parity Cop's N2 target.

Thus, it only comes into effect for case 4.

Does the answer change if it's nights 3 and 4 rather than 1 and 2? (Sounds like no, just wanted to confirm).

[sweetandcool]

What's the logic behind 1? Feels counterintuitive.

But regardless, I believe that means that worcej is the one that would have been PAed, unless they both were.

The logic behind 1:

Since Parity Cop receives no result N1, it can't be flipped. Also, the PA Angel's power is not persistent across nights, so it cannot affect Parity Cop's N2 result, unless it targets the Parity Cop's N2 target.

Thus, it only comes into effect for case 4.

Does the answer change if it's nights 3 and 4 rather than 1 and 2? (Sounds like no, just wanted to confirm).

If Parity Cop successfully scans Town Player A N3 and Town Player B N4, then using the cases 1-4 you provided previously:

1. Parity Cop will return a false result N3, assuming they had a result N2. This will not affect their result for N4.
2. Parity Cop's result will be unaffected.
3. Parity Cop's result will be unaffected.
4. Parity Cop will return a false result N4.

[sweetandcool]

Vote Count 4.1

JustAGuyNamedWill (5) - brainbomb*, snowy801, worcej, ghug, DrFidelis
DrFidelis (3) - DemonRHK, kingofthepirates, JustAGuyNamedWill
ghug (2) - Balki Bartokomous, Chaqa

JustAGuyNamedWill is set to taste justice.
39 hours to go.

[ghug]

The logic behind 1:

Since Parity Cop receives no result N1, it can't be flipped. Also, the PA Angel's power is not persistent across nights, so it cannot affect Parity Cop's N2 result, unless it targets the Parity Cop's N2 target.

Thus, it only comes into effect for case 4.

Does the answer change if it's nights 3 and 4 rather than 1 and 2? (Sounds like no, just wanted to confirm).

If Parity Cop successfully scans Town Player A N3 and Town Player B N4, then using the cases 1-4 you provided previously:

1. Parity Cop will return a false result N3, assuming they had a result N2. This will not affect their result for N4.
2. Parity Cop's result will be unaffected.
3. Parity Cop's result will be unaffected.
4. Parity Cop will return a false result N4.

Alright that doesn't really make sense, but I suppose it doesn't matter.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALLGM how does the interaction between parity cop and PA Angel work? Assuming parity cop scans town player A N1 and town player B N2, what is the result if:
1. PA Angel targets A N1
2. PA Angel targets A N2
3. PA Angel targets B N1
4. PA Angel targets B N2

GM NOTE

Note that it's "Pa Angel" rather than "PA Angel". He's the father of the group, not their Personal Assistant.

If the lawyer visits the same target as the Parity Cop on the same night, then any Parity Cop results which reference that target's alignment will be wrong.

Note also that the Parity Cop does not start to get results until EoN2.

To your example(s):

1. The Parity Cop would get the wrong result at EoN2 (being told the two targets are not paired).

2. No effect = Parity Cop gets correct result at EoN2.

3. No effect = Parity Cop gets correct result at EoN2.

4. The Parity Cop would get the wrong result at EoN2 (being told the two targets are not paired).

I hope this helps.

[Jamiet99uk]

^ Note that this over-rules part of the answer given by Sweet&Cool.

The N1 Parity Cop visit is still an investigation and can therefore still be interfered with.