Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[brainbomb]

Who do you have as the 5th scum?

I have Sweet, Food, BK, D&W

[brainbomb]

It's Food between those two unless there is a serious conflict between jamie/sweet as well, then I have to reconsider jamie for being the double dipper with claim conflicts

[Frogsterking]

How can he assume Bozo is Detective when he claims he is already assuming he is detective himself?

Okay last night you asked if you were overthinking bozo's second part of his claim and here with sweet is a situation where I believe you actually are reading too much into it (IMO.) I believe sweet's thoughts changed a lot as they were excited and posting in the thread real-time. It's also normal to exaggerate how much we knew in hindsight because ego. I think sweet's thoughts jumped around a lot and at the time they wrote this post they believed they were ECO. Compare this to bozo who barely has a pulse and stutter-stepped his way through his claim. Bozo is being cautious about what he puts into the thread because he is micromanaging how he is perceived because he is scum and has TMI. Sweet is not micromanaging how he is perceived and is exaggerating his knowledge because he does not have TMI. That's my take.

How could he think he was ECO? This way past the food reveal.

Let me check

[brainbomb]

eliminating food would probably give scum a chance to crawl back in this game because food is unmistakably town here. hes the vocal town leader and in ways that cant be faked at all

It's manipulation IMO. I think he got in our heads for a while. He's a good writer.

[damo666]

I think we should get Bozo and sweet to target either brain or baby. That should help resolve.

[brainbomb]

Food's wagon is gaining traction. Sometimes I think town can run ahead of itself and talk itself into a decision UNLESS there is incredible hard proof.

I'm interested in what's going on with lfischl. Why didn't you stick with what the plan was?

##Vote lfischl

[Frogsterking]

Okay I'm going to have to ISO sweet

[damo666]

The way brain is now spamming the thread he is probably the 5th man rather than baby.

THE FINAL SOLUTION

Jamie bob Ham Sweet brain

[brainbomb]

Based on what I am seeing I think kak is mafia who was hungry for a reason to scumread foodcoats.

On n1 it began here

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this is interesting and makes me think Jamie-food-lfischl are all scum together possibly.

just a theory but it could just be that Jamie busses lfischl at EOD and doesnt join partner foodcoats on the Will wagon.

you had food as town and suspected jamie

I think of jamie as pretty town and food not low chances of mafia

I give you that I can see this possibility. Have an indepth look at food again and check your townread of him. I'll do the same with jamie. Maybe you've struck gold here, brain.

At this point kak saw a window of opportunity to begin scumreading food and worked his magic through both concocting mech paths to mislead town, and to cement food as lying. This makes me think that given food was supposed to visit bunny, the plan was to kill foods target, and likely to roleblock food or do something that would trigger a pathway to getting him killed. Kak probably didnt know if it would work so all the posts about best play and narrowing the mech was mostly all cooked up to look accurate while really it likely has mafia self serving agendas laden within it

[Frogsterking]

Okay last night you asked if you were overthinking bozo's second part of his claim and here with sweet is a situation where I believe you actually are reading too much into it (IMO.) I believe sweet's thoughts changed a lot as they were excited and posting in the thread real-time. It's also normal to exaggerate how much we knew in hindsight because ego. I think sweet's thoughts jumped around a lot and at the time they wrote this post they believed they were ECO. Compare this to bozo who barely has a pulse and stutter-stepped his way through his claim. Bozo is being cautious about what he puts into the thread because he is micromanaging how he is perceived because he is scum and has TMI. Sweet is not micromanaging how he is perceived and is exaggerating his knowledge because he does not have TMI. That's my take.

How could he think he was ECO? This way past the food reveal.

Let me check

Okay I'm going to have to ISO sweet

That post you found from sweet was before the food reveal, dude. You caught bozo's fake claim last night and that was a good catch. I don't know what you are doing now but bozo is scum.

[BobMcBob]

I've solved it

Bob please confirm that you returned ECO and then ill post the solution

@bob you should really do that. Maybe you want to wait for EoN and make a big post about it, but Neph here would really love your info

Neph would

Bob might do that.

[brainbomb]

based on the way the hammer went yesterday damo is also scum, not sure how the mech works out on that but I dont really care. Ive been scumreading damo all game and I think we should get back to playing mafia here because were getting blitzed hard by a very happy scumteam.

I would stop reading the mech posts, stop reading what roles people claim to be, and scale this back to who killed who, who said what they said, and play the actual game- because there is very much a game here being played that has nothing to do with roles or mechs at all.

[Frogsterking]

Based on what I am seeing I think kak is mafia who was hungry for a reason to scumread foodcoats.

On n1 it began here

[snipped the quotes, follow the link if you want to see 4 pages of quotes]

this is interesting and makes me think Jamie-food-lfischl are all scum together possibly.

just a theory but it could just be that Jamie busses lfischl at EOD and doesnt join partner foodcoats on the Will wagon.

you had food as town and suspected jamie

I think of jamie as pretty town and food not low chances of mafia

I give you that I can see this possibility. Have an indepth look at food again and check your townread of him. I'll do the same with jamie. Maybe you've struck gold here, brain.

At this point kak saw a window of opportunity to begin scumreading food and worked his magic through both concocting mech paths to mislead town, and to cement food as lying. This makes me think that given food was supposed to visit bunny, the plan was to kill foods target, and likely to roleblock food or do something that would trigger a pathway to getting him killed. Kak probably didnt know if it would work so all the posts about best play and narrowing the mech was mostly all cooked up to look accurate while really it likely has mafia self serving agendas laden within it

Is that within kak's scum range?

[brainbomb]

I will also say that when you flood the thread with posts relentlessly about what everyones action was, and what everyone claims, and then offer your conclusions on what each mech outcome is; that is spamming the game with endless derivations and interpretations that no one really can comprehend because its all guessing.

if you actually just go reread people and hunt, and treat this like a mafia game; there are people playing openly scummy who are trying to overwhelm and overrun us. and its being done blatantly by kak and by damo presently.

this is not something that jamie or lfischl are doing, and that is very interesting. I also think for the most part sweet is not trying to do this either.

nor is worcej

As such I think scum is among neph-damo-kak-bozo and then hamilton

[brainbomb]

Based on what I am seeing I think kak is mafia who was hungry for a reason to scumread foodcoats.

On n1 it began here

you had food as town and suspected jamie

I think of jamie as pretty town and food not low chances of mafia

I give you that I can see this possibility. Have an indepth look at food again and check your townread of him. I'll do the same with jamie. Maybe you've struck gold here, brain.

At this point kak saw a window of opportunity to begin scumreading food and worked his magic through both concocting mech paths to mislead town, and to cement food as lying. This makes me think that given food was supposed to visit bunny, the plan was to kill foods target, and likely to roleblock food or do something that would trigger a pathway to getting him killed. Kak probably didnt know if it would work so all the posts about best play and narrowing the mech was mostly all cooked up to look accurate while really it likely has mafia self serving agendas laden within it

Is that within kak's scum range?

110% the dude is an absolute evil genius and he can win games for scum. He won a recent game where I was scum with him and carried the team

[brainbomb]

One thing I dont like about frog is how he always asks for approval and validation on scumreads people have, but when he doesnt get an answer, he doesnt follow up and it makes the effort seem fake.

On several occasions frog has asked me questions about peoples meta, or scum history and I didnt even answer; and it never seemed to bother frog.

[brainbomb]

The way brain is now spamming the thread he is probably the 5th man rather than baby.

THE FINAL SOLUTION

Jamie bob Ham Sweet brain

Were my 7 posts, reviewing who had scumread food, and showing their reasoning really so harmful to your little ability to read relentless posts about mech?

[damo666]

How could he think he was ECO? This way past the food reveal.

Let me check

Okay I'm going to have to ISO sweet

That post you found from sweet was before the food reveal, dude. You caught bozo's fake claim last night and that was a good catch. I don't know what you are doing now but bozo is scum.

Oh yeah. Sorry. Got too excited.

Gonna prepare a solution assuming Bozo scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hello, Town Opponents.

Looks like I'll be the flip tomorrow.

I'm not going to say much unless anyone would like me to make them a picture? I might as well have some fun while I'm still allowed to post. Happy to take requests.

Draw us a picture of your team

Something like this.

[Jamiet99uk]

Frankly given how mechanically broken this setup is (sorry GMs, but it's true), I think that within a couple of phases my team will look like this:

This is not a commentary on any of your theories tonight because I have not been reading the thread anymore.