Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[Frogsterking]

Well, we don't need to confirm lobbyist today. If there is a divided opinion in town, we might get two or even three different 'buckets' for the SUCCESS targets anyway. And that would give us already much information, who couldn't be lobbyist.

I think this is a good goal. I'm down with the foodcoats wagon obviously but I'll try to grow a wagon somewhere else. Hopefully I'm not wagoning the town in BK3K-Hamilton-wocrk. I think it's fair to expect we'll try our best to keep our votes apart but when push comes to shove we need the numbers on the right wagon to kill scum.

eliminating food would probably give scum a chance to crawl back in this game because food is unmistakably town here. hes the vocal town leader and in ways that cant be faked at all

It's manipulation IMO. I think he got in our heads for a while. He's a good writer.

Before I go to bed..we might be able to prioritize and make sure the players are separated who could confirm a sketchier slot is actually the lobbyist, that would help our PoE.

[bozotheclown]

I was happy to see that everyone ignored BunnyGo and claimed only their real result.

[bozotheclown]

Starting with what we know for certain, sorting the 13 remaining town roles by result type, we have the following:

success/failure (4-7) - Doctor, Curfew Enforcer, News Host, Lobbyist, (Mail Man), any RBed role:
BK3K, foodcoats, Frogsterking, Hamilton, Kakarroto, lfischl, worcej

town/mafia (3 or 4) - Detective, Internal Affairs, Electoral Commission Officer, (Mail Man):
bozotheclown, heart

role (1 or 2) - Middle Manager, (Mail Man):
Diplomacy&Warfare, Jamie

player ID (2 or 3) - Ruber Driver, Polster, (Mail Man):
babyspice, brainbomb, Nephthys

delivered/undelivered (2 or 3) - Paper Delivery Boy, Door-Darter, (Mail Man):
Chaqa, damo, sweetandcool

not claimed:
Bob

I think because we have 2 "failure" reports, it is theoretically possible for all players in the success/failure group to be town, although that does not seem very likely. However, the success/failure, role, player ID, and delivered/undelivered groups all would need to include the Mail Man to not contain a mafia, so at least 3 of these groups contain at least 1 mafia if I have everything correct.

[bozotheclown]

I am not sure what kind of message the Door-Darter's target receives, but my message did not say anything about food, so I assume that means I am the Detective, which would mean damo is the Paper Delivery Boy and worcej is town.

[Chaqa]

Is no one going to even acknowledge that I’ve solved that I was roleblocked?

[Chaqa]

I don’t see any other way I got an undelivered message

[bozotheclown]

It is interesting that babyspice and brainbomb both claimed the same player ID report, and that Diplomacy&Warfare and Jamie both claimed the same role report. Even if that is explained by the Ruber Driver and the Mail Man, there is still at least one mafia in the role and player ID groups:

role (1 or 2) - Middle Manager, (Mail Man):
Diplomacy&Warfare, Jamie

player ID (2 or 3) - Ruber Driver, Polster, (Mail Man):
babyspice, brainbomb, Nephthys

Since brainbomb claims to have targeted babyspice (which would follow the list), babyspice being the Polster and brainbomb being the Ruber Driver or Mail Man seems very likely, especially since babyspice claims to have targeted lfischl (which would follow the list), and lfischl did vote for Just D1. Also, Nephthys claims to have targeted heart, who did not vote for Diplomacy&Warfare D1.

That would mean there is at least 1 mafia in Diplomacy&Warfare, Jamie, and Nephthys.

Diplomacy&Warfare claims to have receive the Electoral Commissions Officer role result by targeting Bob, and Jamie claims to have receive the Electoral Commissions Officer role result by targeting foodcoats. If one is the Middle Manager, they would receive the role of their target's target. Since foodcoats is claiming BunnyGo as a target, Jamie can't be the Middle Manager unless foodcoats is fake claiming and really targeted the Electoral Commissions Officer (I know it has already been concluded that one of Jamie and foodcoats is mafia). If Nephthys is the Middle Manager, Bob would have had to target the Electoral Commissions Officer.

Nephthys claims to have received Diplomacy&Warfare as a player ID report by targeting heart, which would be consistent with Nephthys being the Ruber Driver since heart claims to have targeted Diplomacy&Warfare (both consistent with the list). However, Nephthys could be mafia if one of Diplomacy&Warfare and Jamie are the mailman and brainbomb is the Ruber Driver. Claiming Diplomacy&Warfare as a fake target report would be odd except for the DaDa Driver role providing the same result as the Ruber Driver.

[bozotheclown]

I don’t see any other way I got an undelivered message

How do you explain damo and sweetandcool both claiming "delivered"?

[Chaqa]

I don’t see any other way I got an undelivered message

How do you explain damo and sweetandcool both claiming "delivered"?

Isn’t there a role that receives a copy of the message someone else received?

Or one of them is lying.

[damo666]

I've yet to go through the mechs but this is looking to get to autowin for town pretty quickly.

Notwithstanding mechs why would scum Jamie declare a role knowing Bunny was the NK and he was supposed to target food who in turn was supposed to target Bunny.

Therefore I assume ##vote food is correct.

Please no end votes (yet anyway) to allow time for analysis of reports.

I also assume BK3K is scum and poor old Bozo won't see D3.

[bozotheclown]

I don’t see any other way I got an undelivered message

How do you explain damo and sweetandcool both claiming "delivered"?

Isn’t there a role that receives a copy of the message someone else received?

Or one of them is lying.

Yes, but they get their target's result, and damo and sweetandcool have not claimed to target the other, so if you are town, one of them is mafia, and I know damo is town.

[foodcoats]

I have a work thing all day. Just don’t End so I can at least post my spreadsheet before I die.

[foodcoats]

Do your part, post your targets and returns ! Starshiptroopers.Gif

[Chaqa]

How do you explain damo and sweetandcool both claiming "delivered"?

Isn’t there a role that receives a copy of the message someone else received?

Or one of them is lying.

Yes, but they get their target's result, and damo and sweetandcool have not claimed to target the other, so if you are town, one of them is mafia, and I know damo is town.

How do you know Damo is town?

[BobMcBob]

Is no one going to even acknowledge that I’ve solved that I was roleblocked?

Do you want a lollipop? That would mean froggy is a roleblocker most likely, given he targeted you.

[TheMadMonarch]

Vote Count 2.3

foodcoats (4) lfischl, Kakarroto, Frogsterking, damo666
Jamiet99uk (3) foodcoats, brainbomb, Nephthys
lfischl (1) sweetandcool*

Currently, Foodcoats is set to be evicted.

Many players must still cast a vote.

35 hours remain.

[BobMcBob]

I don’t see any other way I got an undelivered message

How do you explain damo and sweetandcool both claiming "delivered"?

Isn’t there a role that receives a copy of the message someone else received?

Or one of them is lying.

There are two roles that do that, but in this situation I don't think the targets work out that either mail role could be involved.

[BobMcBob]

Isn’t there a role that receives a copy of the message someone else received?

Or one of them is lying.

Yes, but they get their target's result, and damo and sweetandcool have not claimed to target the other, so if you are town, one of them is mafia, and I know damo is town.

How do you know Damo is town?

Bozo claims he received a delivery, and he was targeted by damo.

[Chaqa]

Is no one going to even acknowledge that I’ve solved that I was roleblocked?

Do you want a lollipop? That would mean froggy is a roleblocker most likely, given he targeted you.

No it means someone else is lying about their person, probably.

[BobMcBob]

Is no one going to even acknowledge that I’ve solved that I was roleblocked?

Do you want a lollipop? That would mean froggy is a roleblocker most likely, given he targeted you.

No it means someone else is lying about their person, probably.

Or that, yes. That is also quite likely.