MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[heartthrob24909]

Are you guys both serious about voting me?

[heartthrob24909]

I'm mildly annoyed that damo's just chosen not to engage with like anything I've tried to say in the past few rounds and just tunnelling on me being scum. Saying I might as well concede because I'm not trying, after some of my most active rounds. If damo is the scum team then fine, your tactics are working, but if you're town I hope you're kind of embarrassed after this

[heartthrob24909]

Thinking out loud.

If town!ghug CC on bunny is believed by scum and ghug is NK, then Bunny survives to day 3. Scum!ghug could not be the NK under any circumstance.

At this point we will find out that ghug was not actually vig and have more reason to believe Bunny's initial claim. The other town in the game besides Bunny would then have a firmer idea of who the scum is and vote for that person alongside Bunny. Town wins.

If town!ghug CC on bunny is not believed by scum then Bunny is NK and we might have the situation we do now. Ghug's allegiance is uncertain to those besides him who remain in the game. At this moment I don't really see how scum!ghug benefits from this move.

Ghug CC'ing takes a risk that could really pay off for the town if CC were believed. Bunny seems to have played along at least briefly which suggests that he thinks it was a good idea... he didn't try to raise any alarm bells...

##vote damo

[heartthrob24909]

Ghug, can I ask why me over damo right now?

[heartthrob24909]

@damo, sell me on your towncore? I still have worcej, sweet, bona, will to read.

worcej for his early suss of sweet, Bona, Bozo& Jamie due to the votestate when they made their respective sweet votes. Obviously any could be bussing but I doubt it.

Given that Will sounds town and sweet was voting him if ghug was not bussing all remaining scum may have been off sweet. If this be the case My scum order would be

Tem, Macca, Chaqa, Bunny, rdr, heart, you

Going back thru Damo x Worcej now.
Convenient way to towncore Worcej. Of course he could suss Sweet early...

[heartthrob24909]

'Analysis' of reactions to Bona docclaim

me NAI
Bunny townish
Chaqa scummy
ghug townish
Macca not great but I'm assuming town anyway
worcej NAI
heart scummy
rdr NAI

So, taking this and previous reads my S=>T is

Chaqa
Heart

Worcej

rdr Bunny ghug

Macca

Given we have a mk left I think concentrating on Chaqa/heart/worcej is probably gamewinning . However currently both heart and worcej are voting Chaqa so (if I'm right) either one of them is bussing or they are the scumpair.

I'm gonna ##vote heart for now to spread it out.

Day 4 votes me over worcej "to spread it out"

I think this was after my comment about wanting to put pressure on players who had not faced vote pressure yet. It wasn't a direct conversation with damo but I don't like how he's been ignoring that argument the entire time while trying to also sell a narrative that I've given up

[heartthrob24909]

If we are dealing with scum!damo after all then maybe the whole point was to tune me out the entire time so I could be dragged to the end with no credibility while he does a multiple-phase-spanning victory lap.

In these final rounds I think you've actually shown the least flexible thinking of the three of us left

[heartthrob24909]

@damo
@ghug

Have each of you seen how the other plays scum in an endgame situation?

[ghug]

I wish you hadn't done that. From mpov it could be a clever scum move.

Did you actually believe me?

Stupidly yes lol

Well, that makes me feel better about you being town.

[ghug]

heart has us playing a 2 scum team game at work this month. It's insane. Town hasn't had a miskill yet, doctor self saved first night, and the vig (me!) shot scum day 1. And town is still nearly lost on day 3 because they've just decimated one of the teams and the other is unharmed.

Wow, straight from mechanically light to multi-mafia?

It felt like the right step for the group... my hope was when we go BACK to doing mechanically light, ppl will feel more comfortable doing more than just voting out whoever talks the most

That's fair. Are you all actuaries?

[ghug]

Ghug, can I ask why me over damo right now?

It's the resume. I think your connections with worcej look not great, I don't see anything unpairing you with other scum, and I haven't seen a deep desire to solve from you all game. Damo, to be reductive, is town if there's actually a thread to his logic, and scum if he's faking it. He's always going to be weird and hard to understand and underengaging, but I see him building a view of the game. He's gotten a bit better at faking, but there are other things that point to towniness, like the way he went after worcej, his failure to notice Jamie's role after flipping, and his open PR hunting in the thread. There's also some weight to the fact that he believed my claim, though he could be faking that, as scum would know Bunny and I were both town.

[ghug]

'Analysis' of reactions to Bona docclaim

me NAI
Bunny townish
Chaqa scummy
ghug townish
Macca not great but I'm assuming town anyway
worcej NAI
heart scummy
rdr NAI

So, taking this and previous reads my S=>T is

Chaqa
Heart

Worcej

rdr Bunny ghug

Macca

Given we have a mk left I think concentrating on Chaqa/heart/worcej is probably gamewinning . However currently both heart and worcej are voting Chaqa so (if I'm right) either one of them is bussing or they are the scumpair.

I'm gonna ##vote heart for now to spread it out.

Day 4 votes me over worcej "to spread it out"

I think this was after my comment about wanting to put pressure on players who had not faced vote pressure yet. It wasn't a direct conversation with damo but I don't like how he's been ignoring that argument the entire time while trying to also sell a narrative that I've given up

Take away the ignoring you for a second. How is doing something similar to what you were advocating and correctly picking scum to vote for there scummy?

[ghug]

@damo
@ghug

Have each of you seen how the other plays scum in an endgame situation?

Whoops, didn't answer this.

I don't think damo gets to the end super often as scum, but I'm sure I've seen it at some point. I tend to be the burn bright and die early sort, but I also roll scum like every other game, so he's definitely seen me a handful of times.

[damo666]

I've seen ghug scum a fair few times and usually sus him. Don't think I've seen him in last 3 though. I rarely get to last 3 and never as scum so ghug wouldn't have seen that.

[damo666]

@heart if you are town then ghug has pocketed me.

I think scum ghug voting sweet day 1 when worcej already on is unlikely, ghug doesn't bus early iirc.

There was also something ghug said about worcej that made them unlikely scumpair.

So if ghug is town you have to be scum.

[damo666]

If heart is scum he must think there's more chance of ghug voting me than vice versa.

Not sure about that so slight doubt.

[damo666]

I'm sort of 75/25 on g and 50/50 on h.

I don't like the whole game resting on me.

Thinking of hammering so we can just finish.

[damo666]

ghug day 1 looks town

[damo666]

##end

@ghug if you're scum take your victory, if you're town take our victory

fingers crossed

[ghug]

##END

gg everyone, fingers crossed