M80 Game Thread

[brainbomb]

Scenario 1 isnt discounted. Ghug can still position himself in the event that a cop scan happened. whether the cop scan actually happened or not does not erase the possibility mafia thought it could happen. the actual itself would have made ghug look pretty good, accurate ect in the event a drive actually worked.

just because the cop scan didnt happen this way does not eliminate in any way that the mafia thought it might

Sorry, in the event this happened it makes dousing look good and ghug look bad. which is a gambit of course. and would make ghug look quite scummy.

[Jamiet99uk]

Scenario 1 isnt discounted. Ghug can still position himself in the event that a cop scan happened. whether the cop scan actually happened or not does not erase the possibility mafia thought it could happen. the actual itself would have made ghug look pretty good, accurate ect in the event a drive actually worked.

just because the cop scan didnt happen this way does not eliminate in any way that the mafia thought it might

You've lost me again here. We know the Cop targeted Foxcastle and got a "guilty". Why would scum!Ghug swap scum!Foxcastle and scum!Dousing in order to manipulate the cop result?

[ghug]

@Jamie what's your pisstake RB post about?

I'm really amused by the irony of a Jamie joke being taken seriously and met with widespread confusion.

[Jamiet99uk]

Scenario 1 isnt discounted. Ghug can still position himself in the event that a cop scan happened. whether the cop scan actually happened or not does not erase the possibility mafia thought it could happen. the actual itself would have made ghug look pretty good, accurate ect in the event a drive actually worked.

just because the cop scan didnt happen this way does not eliminate in any way that the mafia thought it might

Sorry, in the event this happened it makes dousing look good and ghug look bad. which is a gambit of course. and would make ghug look quite scummy.

OH sorry you mean scum!dousing being swapped with some other third person, (not Fox) - when in reality the cop went elsewhere (to Fox), causing this mafia gambit to have no effect, right?

[brainbomb]

Scenario 1 isnt discounted. Ghug can still position himself in the event that a cop scan happened. whether the cop scan actually happened or not does not erase the possibility mafia thought it could happen. the actual itself would have made ghug look pretty good, accurate ect in the event a drive actually worked.

just because the cop scan didnt happen this way does not eliminate in any way that the mafia thought it might

You've lost me again here. We know the Cop targeted Foxcastle and got a "guilty". Why would scum!Ghug swap scum!Foxcastle and scum!Dousing in order to manipulate the cop result?

Yea, so lets say ghug-foxcastle-dousing-xcution is the scumteam.
the mafia driver swaps dousing with a random townie. thus on a cop scan dousing looks good and the cop claims dousing is inno.
yea ghug looks bad here for voting a town. but the gambit is that there is never a scenario where dousing is actually town there.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie what's your pisstake RB post about?

I'm really amused by the irony of a Jamie joke being taken seriously and met with widespread confusion.

I know, right?

[Jamiet99uk]

Scenario 1 isnt discounted. Ghug can still position himself in the event that a cop scan happened. whether the cop scan actually happened or not does not erase the possibility mafia thought it could happen. the actual itself would have made ghug look pretty good, accurate ect in the event a drive actually worked.

just because the cop scan didnt happen this way does not eliminate in any way that the mafia thought it might

You've lost me again here. We know the Cop targeted Foxcastle and got a "guilty". Why would scum!Ghug swap scum!Foxcastle and scum!Dousing in order to manipulate the cop result?

Yea, so lets say ghug-foxcastle-dousing-xcution is the scumteam.
the mafia driver swaps dousing with a random townie. thus on a cop scan dousing looks good and the cop claims dousing is inno.
yea ghug looks bad here for voting a town. but the gambit is that there is never a scenario where dousing is actually town there.

Gotcha. Understood.

[ghug]

okay now you guys are all making me paranoid. lol. giving me a nice golden shower of +1's and seemingly agreeing with my analysis.

My POE based on this is we chop rivera and then ghug. if either flip town we chop bona.

Bunny, Jamie, S&C, seem fine in this reread.

Why is bona below us?

This makes me feel better about you, but I don't really buy the argument that X and Jamie wouldn't fake theater. I know it was more X-initiated, but Jamie likes to argue with his teammates, and X is experienced enough to not be obvious about it.

[brainbomb]

I wanna congratulate anyone who followed that line of thought I had. you now understand how a brainbomb mind works in a mafia game. Take this example and now apply that to how I play wrt to almost every slot on a given day 1. And this is why you have so many theories coming from me.

One of the first times ive ever been able to actually put it all down to display how I think in my head.

What derails me on these thoughts is being dismissed, or people ignoring the theory behind it, or getting hung up on the wrong parts of things.

What I just applied for ghug I tend to try to do on every slot to come up with situational scum behavior.

In this instance, what is the actual storyline that happened.

[brainbomb]

okay now you guys are all making me paranoid. lol. giving me a nice golden shower of +1's and seemingly agreeing with my analysis.

My POE based on this is we chop rivera and then ghug. if either flip town we chop bona.

Bunny, Jamie, S&C, seem fine in this reread.

Why is bona below us?

This makes me feel better about you, but I don't really buy the argument that X and Jamie wouldn't fake theater. I know it was more X-initiated, but Jamie likes to argue with his teammates, and X is experienced enough to not be obvious about it.

I am rethinking this list anyway but I agree Jamie is not as clear as I made this out to be initially. I have since reconsidered some of this.

[ghug]

actually, what town would learn about my theory could very well explain ghugs behavior at day 2 start. Especially if you think ghug is mafia, it sets up and lines up logically.

What behavior is that?

[brainbomb]

actually, what town would learn about my theory could very well explain ghugs behavior at day 2 start. Especially if you think ghug is mafia, it sets up and lines up logically.

What behavior is that?

Your entry to day 2. I havent reached a final conclusion on anything just yet.

[Jamiet99uk]

Brainbomb, you're a curious sea-dog

[brainbomb]

ghug
rather than list out every reason why Ill give you a few sample posts viewtopic.php?p=341706#p341706 ghug has alot of these hedge posts where he puts one player up with another and it seems to lack explanation, and lacks any weight behind these.
Other examples of posts by ghug I find scummy:
viewtopic.php?p=341850#p341850
Where I dont think ghug as town usually bothers to waste a post saying he has no strong scumreads yet. usually he holds his cards closer than that. And the people he distrusts looks opportunistic here.
viewtopic.php?p=342131#p342131
viewtopic.php?p=342157#p342157
viewtopic.php?p=342221#p342221
viewtopic.php?p=342366#p342366
viewtopic.php?p=343097#p343097

Jamie
Where theres ghug, theres jamie as his teammate. and THis is the teammate making the most sense to me. Namely because Jamie is all over the thread playing to a script rather than actually playing the game. When asked basic questions he tends to retreat into this version of himself he thinks is his town persona. He has all the supposed confusion of various things but lacks the foul attitude or snappyness he has as town. He follows the fox vote with kak and doesnt seem to really look outside of that realm. When asked about players alignments and what scum motives are he retreats into comedy and jokes to fill the lack of thoughts he has on solving.

Haze
This is here because damo beleives something mechanical outs him and that this is likely after xcution death. I dont see it and I think there is evidence to suggest that Haze is making towny posts at times.

Bunnygo
I find it very unlikely that jamie and fox openly discussed bunny being mafia. I am not a fan of bunnys style decision to +1 instead of actual conversation. And the lone scumtell comes from Bunny absence day 1, and this habitual +1 behavior.

rdrivera
My hesistation now is when ghug white knighted him viewtopic.php?p=343381&sid=da73fe490726 ... cb#p343381
I also see rivera replying to me saying 100% it is not me. And maybe rivera plays it much better than just blanketing his scumbuddy fox with a cheap townread.

bonatogetherI moved bona here because I have seen some towny posts after day 1. I waiver on that he really belongs

Kakarrotto
Initially I found scummy, then I sort of enjoyed his effort to rebuild a relationship with me. I felt moved by the idea that maybe all I ever do is come after him and maybe I just needed to give him a chance. I enjoyed his attempts to bait mafia actions with asking for who to shoot lists. I saw his open considerations Day 2 of what the gamestate was when no jailing had been claimed and I think its more likely town than scum here.

Dousing
I think its likely dousing was town. Pyxxy plead for this slots survival and then pyxxy died. I have read most of dousings posts and given where they were at day 1 I never fully understood why they were in that situation.

SweetandCool
Here is a slot that is very towny. the only knock is they maybe play go between too often. maybe this is a first time scum being setup to go deep. in which case he probably has this game won anyway.

[worcej]

I see from the fox and xcution interactions two schools of thought.

either fox wants xcution to stop bussing Jamie and Sweet (less likely)

or

Fox wants dousing to keep those players alive and sees those players as slots they can buddy/manipulate so he wants xcution to focus elsewhere

I agree with your sentiment here BB

[worcej]

So now either

1 Rivera is just accidentally sitting between two mafia, taking stances that the scumteam are working on.

Or

2 Rivera is scum, providing direction to xcution and sweet and cool is just a town member in their crosshairs.

3 Or xcution was bussing sweetandcool, and town Rivera found common reasons to scumread sweet.

I think its 2

I only see a world where rdr is scum if his last partner is either Bona or you BB

[worcej]

So rivera aligns himself with Fox on that Jamie is town, and they both seem to like Jamie pushing bunny.

So rivera seems to be guiding wolf partner xcution on sweet and cool, implying, yea this target is okay even if fox discouraged it

Go find a game where I was scum and tried to guide a scum partner. Hint: you won't find.

I do believe this to be the case in a main game thread, but you do advise your scum team in the mafia threads every game lol

[worcej]

Damo I will say one thing for you.
I have been super shitty to you before when youve been VT, but when you are PR you are one of the best players on this site with how you play and how you use your abilities.

Geniunely impressed by everything youve done this game. This is as solid of a performance as ive ever seen from you. The confidence you are giving off here is setting us up for a smoother road with less chaos moving forward.

[brainbomb]

You did very well worcej and ive never once scumread you for this entire game. And this was before you roleclaimed!

[Haze with a Z]

the more I read this thread, the more I doubt my srs on people. which is probably not how I should be feeling entering the later stages of the game.