M80 Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

It's funny, I scumread both of you but dislike each of your justifications for voting the other.

It is not clear to me why you scumread President Eden.

Could you elucidate?

He feels off.

Gotcha, great points, well made.

[damo666]

To be super explicit:

Do you remember him drawing weird conclusions about scum motivations in our fighting in those couple games? Because I do.

I don’t, but I’ll look. To be clear you mean the Dec 21 and Mar(?) 22 games where you and I were fighting, right? (I guess I need it even more explicit lol.)

@rdr—nothing notable about Haze, I don’t find them scummy per se so much as, the more my view of the game is developing, the more I think the mafia are in the wallflowers.

That's a good point. If not many people are pinging as scum, then looking towards the wallflowers makes sense.

This could so easily be scummy.

[ghug]

It's funny, I scumread both of you but dislike each of your justifications for voting the other.

It is not clear to me why you scumread President Eden.

Could you elucidate?

He feels off.

I suppose the most interesting recent insight I can add here is that the current bozo push feels like a scum OMGUS with an "I'm mad you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibe than a town OMGUS.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo.

Why is this only your second post?

Why was your first post a naked vote?

What was the reason for that vote?

1. I try not to post when I am not caught up on the thread.

2. It wasn't, the context for my vote was in the post I responded to.

3. I thought my reason was obvious, so before I answer this question directly, I would like to make a request for you to read that post again and see if you can figure out my reason.

Challenge accepted.
Let's see, here was your vote and the post you quoted:

My meta in our game together was to scumread everyone who voted for me until we won, so the question is would scum Haze really want to bring that upon himself?

##VOTE ghug

In that post, Ghug said, in essence, that in a previous game with Haze, his voting behaviour was entirely OMGUS-based. Ghug questioned Haze's vote on that basis.

I would be surprised to see Ghug, a veteran, employ an OMGUS-based strategy of simply scumreading anyone voting for him. That would seem to me to be a silly strategy but also, it does not correspond to the type of play I've normally seen Ghug employ on this site. Therefore I can see why you might have thought Ghug's statement was a bit weird, but I'm not sure how that one statement persuaded you that Ghug is scum.

So, now I have answered your question, will you answer mine?

I have an additional question as well, Bozo. I notice you have not mentioned Ghug's name at all since you voted for him. Has your read on him changed since your initial vote? If so, for which reason?

It was a joke, because ghug implied he would scum read anyone who voted for him.

[ghug]

There have also been some points made by bona and ( ) Worcej that have resonated with me, but I'm too lazy to go find them.

[President Eden]

It is not clear to me why you scumread President Eden.

Could you elucidate?

He feels off.

I suppose the most interesting recent insight I can add here is that the current bozo push feels like a scum OMGUS with an "I'm mad you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibe than a town OMGUS.

you sure are finding lots of ways to talk about me/bozo without addressing my really strong logic about how bozo isn't even trying to sort

[President Eden]

in fact imma just say it

if bozo flips scum ghug is his partner

no cap on god 100

[bozotheclown]

It is not clear to me why you scumread President Eden.

Could you elucidate?

He feels off.

I suppose the most interesting recent insight I can add here is that the current bozo push feels like a scum OMGUS with an "I'm mad you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibe than a town OMGUS.

It is interesting that the main point I was making with my vote is that I think PE is more likely to be mafia than Bonatogether, then everyone decided to stop voting for Bonatogether.

[ghug]

I'm curious to see if a bozo wagon is easy to push.

##VOTE Prezzy Ed

[President Eden]

To be super explicit:

Do you remember him drawing weird conclusions about scum motivations in our fighting in those couple games? Because I do.

I don’t, but I’ll look. To be clear you mean the Dec 21 and Mar(?) 22 games where you and I were fighting, right? (I guess I need it even more explicit lol.)

@rdr—nothing notable about Haze, I don’t find them scummy per se so much as, the more my view of the game is developing, the more I think the mafia are in the wallflowers.

Yeah those. He scumread the emotional outbursts seemingly coming out of nowhere.

I went back and checked

His Dec 21 game (where he accused you me and kgray of being a team) definitely fits the pattern, but he was mafia there. GRANTED, it WAS multiball. However, I don't think that changes his incentives in this regard, as he still has to manufacture reads - it becomes easier when there are 3 legitimate scum to hunt, but his goal is still to force "miskills" (defined as "not his team").

His Mar 22 game where he was town doesn't fit the pattern at all

[ghug]

He feels off.

I suppose the most interesting recent insight I can add here is that the current bozo push feels like a scum OMGUS with an "I'm mad you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibe than a town OMGUS.

you sure are finding lots of ways to talk about me/bozo without addressing my really strong logic about how bozo isn't even trying to sort

I agree that his vote on you is underwhelming, and that he overall is very plausible scum, I just don't think it's reasonable of you to be ascribing scum motivation to that post specifically.

[Dousing]

There have also been some points made by bona and ( ) Worcej that have resonated with me, but I'm too lazy to go find them.

Tbh I'm not finding Bona's posts helpful. They seem to be single sentences that are jokes sprinkled with a touch of useful info.

This could just be because I'm trying to rocket my way through 80+ pages but it seems more fluff and less substance.

[bozotheclown]

He feels off.

I suppose the most interesting recent insight I can add here is that the current bozo push feels like a scum OMGUS with an "I'm mad you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibe than a town OMGUS.

you sure are finding lots of ways to talk about me/bozo without addressing my really strong logic about how bozo isn't even trying to sort

I dispute the strength of your logic.

[ghug]

I don’t, but I’ll look. To be clear you mean the Dec 21 and Mar(?) 22 games where you and I were fighting, right? (I guess I need it even more explicit lol.)

@rdr—nothing notable about Haze, I don’t find them scummy per se so much as, the more my view of the game is developing, the more I think the mafia are in the wallflowers.

Yeah those. He scumread the emotional outbursts seemingly coming out of nowhere.

I went back and checked

His Dec 21 game (where he accused you me and kgray of being a team) definitely fits the pattern, but he was mafia there. GRANTED, it WAS multiball. However, I don't think that changes his incentives in this regard, as he still has to manufacture reads - it becomes easier when there are 3 legitimate scum to hunt, but his goal is still to force "miskills" (defined as "not his team").

His Mar 22 game where he was town doesn't fit the pattern at all

Disagree.

[President Eden]

I suppose the most interesting recent insight I can add here is that the current bozo push feels like a scum OMGUS with an "I'm mad you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibe than a town OMGUS.

you sure are finding lots of ways to talk about me/bozo without addressing my really strong logic about how bozo isn't even trying to sort

I dispute the strength of your logic.

I suppose you would!

Yeah those. He scumread the emotional outbursts seemingly coming out of nowhere.

I went back and checked

His Dec 21 game (where he accused you me and kgray of being a team) definitely fits the pattern, but he was mafia there. GRANTED, it WAS multiball. However, I don't think that changes his incentives in this regard, as he still has to manufacture reads - it becomes easier when there are 3 legitimate scum to hunt, but his goal is still to force "miskills" (defined as "not his team").

His Mar 22 game where he was town doesn't fit the pattern at all

Disagree.

vetoed

[bozotheclown]

I don’t, but I’ll look. To be clear you mean the Dec 21 and Mar(?) 22 games where you and I were fighting, right? (I guess I need it even more explicit lol.)

@rdr—nothing notable about Haze, I don’t find them scummy per se so much as, the more my view of the game is developing, the more I think the mafia are in the wallflowers.

Yeah those. He scumread the emotional outbursts seemingly coming out of nowhere.

I went back and checked

His Dec 21 game (where he accused you me and kgray of being a team) definitely fits the pattern, but he was mafia there. GRANTED, it WAS multiball. However, I don't think that changes his incentives in this regard, as he still has to manufacture reads - it becomes easier when there are 3 legitimate scum to hunt, but his goal is still to force "miskills" (defined as "not his team").

His Mar 22 game where he was town doesn't fit the pattern at all

Can you please reference game numbers?

[sweetandcool]

There have also been some points made by bona and ( ) Worcej that have resonated with me, but I'm too lazy to go find them.

Tbh I'm not finding Bona's posts helpful. They seem to be single sentences that are jokes sprinkled with a touch of useful info.

This could just be because I'm trying to rocket my way through 80+ pages but it seems more fluff and less substance.

That's how he was last time. More or less. He got serious enough for my taste after D1.

[Dousing]

I went back and checked

His Dec 21 game (where he accused you me and kgray of being a team) definitely fits the pattern, but he was mafia there.

His Mar 22 game where he was town doesn't fit the pattern at all

Since it doesn't have any actual evidence/analysis I'm just gonna ignore this post

[President Eden]

Yeah those. He scumread the emotional outbursts seemingly coming out of nowhere.

I went back and checked

His Dec 21 game (where he accused you me and kgray of being a team) definitely fits the pattern, but he was mafia there. GRANTED, it WAS multiball. However, I don't think that changes his incentives in this regard, as he still has to manufacture reads - it becomes easier when there are 3 legitimate scum to hunt, but his goal is still to force "miskills" (defined as "not his team").

His Mar 22 game where he was town doesn't fit the pattern at all

Can you please reference game numbers?

Yeah sorry.

M71 is the Dec 21 game. It was the double mafia family game. You were on one team with Durga and Flum, ghug was on another with Sabi and captainmeme.

M73 is the Mar 22 game. You were the JOAT in that one.

[Jamiet99uk]

It is not clear to me why you scumread President Eden.

Could you elucidate?

He feels off.

I suppose the most interesting recent insight I can add here is that the current bozo push feels like a scum OMGUS with an "I'm mad you caught me for the wrong reasons" vibe than a town OMGUS.

You townread Bozo, then?