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Yes if worcej was townreading Chaqa. They might have thought worcej was bluffing but that's a bit of a stretch. The most obvious reason Chaqa wasn't targeted is that Chaqa is scum.KoalaAttack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:53 pmAgain, sorry if this is naive because I'm new, but:
But the mass claim business happened after the night was over. So during the night they would only have a maybe-Watcher maybe-protected by a maybe-Doctor and/or maybe-watching the maybe-Doctor.
And wouldn't the WIFOM approach be "let them waste the mutual Watching/Healing on each other while we take out someone else?"
I don't see any logic in both scenarios. If Chaqa is scum and they choose to kill a VT instead of Worcej why did he claimed VT instead of keeping the Watcher claim?damo666 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:57 pmYes if worcej was townreading Chaqa. They might have thought worcej was bluffing but that's a bit of a stretch. The most obvious reason Chaqa wasn't targeted is that Chaqa is scum.KoalaAttack wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 11:53 pmAgain, sorry if this is naive because I'm new, but:
But the mass claim business happened after the night was over. So during the night they would only have a maybe-Watcher maybe-protected by a maybe-Doctor and/or maybe-watching the maybe-Doctor.
And wouldn't the WIFOM approach be "let them waste the mutual Watching/Healing on each other while we take out someone else?"
Would you please quote the Bozo post that you find to be scum-indicative and spell out why it doesn’t look like a Town!Bozo post?rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:38 amI also don't like the way Bozo is tryng to disregard the argument on Bo vote on D1 being townie. It looks like scum tryng to keep open a possible miskill.
The bad thing is that on the VT claimants the only one I townread is Balki. I still scumread Damo, Bozo and lfischl and I am torn on Chaqa and null on Bo (assuming he will claim VT, which is likely as I believe the 3 claims).
Is this the post rdr?bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:02 pmI suppose it is WIFOM, but voting for one of the top wagons is the "town" thing to do, so what would bo_sox gain by waiting longer as mafia?damo666 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:24 pmAs the top 2 were town I would say there was every reason to stay off as mafia and monitor the situation.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 8:03 pm
bo_sox hadn't posted for over 4 hours when he posted 23 minute before EOD. If bo_sox came back at that time, his choices would have been to stay off the wagons, break the T vs. T tie, or cause a 3 way tie. As mafia, there would be no reason to stay off the wagons since the top 2 were town.
Overall I think it is NAI, but bo_sox trying to enforce the worcej hammer when he did not vote for worcej N1 looks scum motivated, especially coming from bo_sox, who I would not expect to go along with hammering a player he did not suspect for a potential gambler item.
I understand the idea that a mafia might not want to look responsible for deciding a mis-kill, but I think that only is expected to draw suspicion if the vote saved a teammate. The fact the anyone would town read bo_sox for make a T vs. T tie breaking vote D1 20 minutes before EOD is exactly why bo_sox is capable of doing it as mafia. It certainly is not a reason to declare bo_sox must be town and ignore everything he has done since.rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:38 amI also don't like the way Bozo is tryng to disregard the argument on Bo vote on D1 being townie. It looks like scum tryng to keep open a possible miskill.
The bad thing is that on the VT claimants the only one I townread is Balki. I still scumread Damo, Bozo and lfischl and I am torn on Chaqa and null on Bo (assuming he will claim VT, which is likely as I believe the 3 claims).
Apparently D1 votes are meaningful now lol. Scum is gonna sit out a TvT D1, not drive it. Town is gonna put their own ass in the fire in order to keep things moving and not let them stagnate into an information-less abyss, which is exactly what was happening when I built an impromptu case on pyxxy.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:02 pmI suppose it is WIFOM, but voting for one of the top wagons is the "town" thing to do, so what would bo_sox gain by waiting longer as mafia?
Overall I think it is NAI, but bo_sox trying to enforce the worcej hammer when he did not vote for worcej N1 looks scum motivated, especially coming from bo_sox, who I would not expect to go along with hammering a player he did not suspect for a potential gambler item.
Just did.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:25 amI am sorry you were sick, we have mass claimed, and everyone has participated except for you.
The idea that scum will "sit out" a T vs. T D1 vote is not universally true, as proven by the last game where damo and lfischl both voted to break a T vs. T tie D1. Ending the day off the wagons or voting without a reason are the things that look more suspicious, so I expect you would avoid those things as mafia.bo_sox48 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:28 amApparently D1 votes are meaningful now lol. Scum is gonna sit out a TvT D1, not drive it. Town is gonna put their own ass in the fire in order to keep things moving and not let them stagnate into an information-less abyss, which is exactly what was happening when I built an impromptu case on pyxxy.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:02 pmI suppose it is WIFOM, but voting for one of the top wagons is the "town" thing to do, so what would bo_sox gain by waiting longer as mafia?
Overall I think it is NAI, but bo_sox trying to enforce the worcej hammer when he did not vote for worcej N1 looks scum motivated, especially coming from bo_sox, who I would not expect to go along with hammering a player he did not suspect for a potential gambler item.
I hammered on worcej because that was the plan and I agreed with it. What’s it matter if I scumread worcej? For the record, I felt he was “off” ans a reasonable target for the gambler as well as a reasonable kill that would give us a lot more to talk about from D1, especially if he flipped mafia. Going along with that plan didn’t bother me at all, and doing it quickly made a lot more sense than wasting 72 hours ho humming our energy away.
Where do you come up with this idea that I stay within this chalk outline of contrarianism as town and never agree with anyone or do anything that someone else proposes? I don’t listen to you very often because your ideas typically suck, but if you ever come up with a good one I’ll be on board.