MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

@Chaqa @rdr

We got'em.

@Chaqa join us on Bozo.

Then watch Balki join.

[damo666]

Current feelings:

Balki/Bozo still seem scummiest. Balki is doing nothing to change that. Neither Bozo.

Damo is weird. Like he’s gloating.

Chaqa slip fake? Seemed honest to me.

Rdr seems good too.

Bunny have a clean watch on rdr?

[damo666]

Yo.

I have a request to make of all players:

I think there is a reasonable chance for any of us to be killed. If bad guys can kill BunnyGo without losing their own, then BunnyGo will be the kill. If bad guys would risk losing one of their own to kill Bunny, then really any of the VTs might go.

So, I'd like everyone to do some reading over night and come up with your best solve. This may very well be your legacy -- your last chance to solve the game. Put some effort into it if you are town, so that it is clearer to those who live who has a puzzle to solve tonight, and who doesn't. If you die, the survivors will hopefully take advantage of the legacy.

Post your solve right before EON so that mafia cannot account for it in their NK choice.

Let's put in more effort than the scumbuckets and bring this one home.

I don't think I will have anything new to add by EON, but I doubt I will be the NK.

Lol

[bozotheclown]

Sorry, ending was a mistake. I was a bit pissed and didn't think it through and had forgotten my 'kill the ender' theory.

However, as the game is not finished I know Bozo is scum. I realise the other two townies don't, they just have to trust me.

Chaqa"s reaction looks quite town so I am kinda 85% Balki 13% Chaqa 2%rdr.

Why are you sure the mafia would have hammered? Don't you think the first mafia to hammer would be taking a risk? Why did you claim BunnyGo had a scan result on me?

[bozotheclown]

Okay, nobody do anything rash today please. The Bozo/Dame cross gives us still more info. Almost certainly one is Scum.

It almost looked to me like Bunny might have had a clean track on Damo (not sure about that). Obviously that wouldn’t be conclusive even if it’s true, as Scum!Damo would not have to make a visit. All the same, I am feeling pretty strong feelings that Bozo is a hit.

I am not sure what you mean by "hit", but If you are saying you think BunnyGo was indicating a scan on me, I would like to know how you think that is possible.

[rdrivera2005]

Sorry, ending was a mistake. I was a bit pissed and didn't think it through and had forgotten my 'kill the ender' theory.

However, as the game is not finished I know Bozo is scum. I realise the other two townies don't, they just have to trust me.

Chaqa"s reaction looks quite town so I am kinda 85% Balki 13% Chaqa 2%rdr.

Why are you sure the mafia would have hammered? Don't you think the first mafia to hammer would be taking a risk? Why did you claim BunnyGo had a scan result on me?

Yes, but with both scum posting at same time and Damo being away, they could easily vote together to end. This make a Chaqa/Balki pair a lot less likely and if you are town you should consider a rdr/Balki pair a lot less likely.

[damo666]

Is it 3 votes to hammer or 4 votes to hammer?

Fake

[damo666]

I’m still pretty sure it’s Damo and Balki

I don't think it's Damo and won't vote him. Look at his reactions yesterday and his interactions with Bunny and see if it looks like scum Damo.

I am not sure about Balki or you.

I would be willing to vote Balki first.

This post makes me wary of a BozoChaqa team

[damo666]

Why are you saying this? I haven’t read all that closely yet. What exactly happened and what does it prove?

Nothing is proven, but damo and rdrivera both established fairly early D5 that they would be willing to vote for me, yet even after BunnyGo voted for me they waited until late in D5 to move their votes. It seemed like they were waiting to make sure BunnyGo kept his vote on me, then moved their votes to go for the mis-kill. Or, maybe only one of them is mafia and were setting up their partner to move their vote at EOD, which BunnyGo's switch to no-kill prevented.

Also, damo expressed a lot more confidence I was mafia after BunnyGo voted for me, where earlier D5 he was keeping his options open between you, me, and Chaqa.

Isn’t Damo necessarily scum from your point of view now?

Balki telling his teammate to be more careful.

[damo666]

My guess right now is Bozo/Chaqa, for the record, but I’d like a day to read to make sure it holds up.

Balki realising this is his only hope.

[damo666]

Why? I think this is true, but how can we know for sure?

Because if Damo is Town voting for Town, scum could hammer the day?

That is true, although the mafia would have to risk being able to both hammer before damo moved his end vote. Nevertheless, it would be a very bad play to hammer as town this early in the day.

Bozo trying to justify why there's been no hammer. Of course the reason being Bozo is scum.

[damo666]

Since scum hasn't hammered Bozo, I assume two possibilities:
1. Bozo is scum and scum haven't hammered as they don't benefit.

2. Damo is scum and scum hasn't hammered because they need one more town.

In world 1, Bozo's partner is in: Balki, Chaqa, Rivera

In world 2, Damo's partner is ALSO in Balki, Chaqa, Rivera.

So, we can eliminate Bozo/Damo as a team.

We can also eliminate any team that is 2/3 of Balki, Chaqa, Rivera.

Agreed

[damo666]

This leaves:
Bozo-Chaqa
Bozo-Balki
Bozo-Rivera
Damo-Chaqa
Damo-Balki
Damo-Rivera

As the possible scumteams.

Someone check my work.

Plus meBozo (but it's not)

[damo666]

I think we can eliminate Rivera-Bozo due to Day 4.

Damo-Chaqa
Bozo-Chaqa
---- (^ I know these are false, but I can't prove it)
Bozo-Balki
Damo-Balki
Damo-Rivera

Reasonable

[damo666]

There's only five of us left, so three.

Ah, thank you.

Okay, so at least one scum in Damo/Bozo. That helps a lot.

Considering the fact that damo hammered and apparently left, I think the probability that he is mafia is very high, with a slight possibility he did not realize how bad his play was as town. Since you, Chaqa, and rdrivera all posted with a short period of time, any other mafia combination would have had the chance to end the game.

##VOTE damo

Bozo proving his own guilt.

[bozotheclown]

Sorry, ending was a mistake. I was a bit pissed and didn't think it through and had forgotten my 'kill the ender' theory.

However, as the game is not finished I know Bozo is scum. I realise the other two townies don't, they just have to trust me.

Chaqa"s reaction looks quite town so I am kinda 85% Balki 13% Chaqa 2%rdr.

Why are you sure the mafia would have hammered? Don't you think the first mafia to hammer would be taking a risk? Why did you claim BunnyGo had a scan result on me?

Yes, but with both scum posting at same time and Damo being away, they could easily vote together to end. This make a Chaqa/Balki pair a lot less likely and if you are town you should consider a rdr/Balki pair a lot less likely.

I consider any combination not including damo much less likely, but even posting at the same time, the first mafia to hammer would be risking revealing themselves.

However, damo hammering only makes sense as mafia.

[damo666]

Current feelings:

Balki/Bozo still seem scummiest. Balki is doing nothing to change that. Neither Bozo.

Damo is weird. Like he’s gloating.

Chaqa slip fake? Seemed honest to me.

Rdr seems good too.

Bunny have a clean watch on rdr?

Negative track I mean.

[damo666]

Sorry, ending was a mistake. I was a bit pissed and didn't think it through and had forgotten my 'kill the ender' theory.

However, as the game is not finished I know Bozo is scum. I realise the other two townies don't, they just have to trust me.

Chaqa"s reaction looks quite town so I am kinda 85% Balki 13% Chaqa 2%rdr.

Why are you sure the mafia would have hammered? Don't you think the first mafia to hammer would be taking a risk? Why did you claim BunnyGo had a scan result on me?

Yes, but a risk worth taking.

Interpreting Bunny's late switch back to you. May b a mistake though, he would probably hav said something more forceful at EON.

[damo666]

@rdr do you agree that Balki is more likely than Chaqa to be Bozo"s scum partner?

I think it very likely that the last three will be me, Chaqa and Balki so please make sure you post your thinking.

I'm pretty sure I will vote Balki. Do I have your support?

[bozotheclown]

Sorry, ending was a mistake. I was a bit pissed and didn't think it through and had forgotten my 'kill the ender' theory.

However, as the game is not finished I know Bozo is scum. I realise the other two townies don't, they just have to trust me.

Chaqa"s reaction looks quite town so I am kinda 85% Balki 13% Chaqa 2%rdr.

Why are you sure the mafia would have hammered? Don't you think the first mafia to hammer would be taking a risk? Why did you claim BunnyGo had a scan result on me?

Yes, but a risk worth taking.

Interpreting Bunny's late switch back to you. May b a mistake though, he would probably hav said something more forceful at EON.

You don't think BunnyGo would have taken a sure mafia DK D5?