MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

I am presuming this is true, but I'd like someone who plays with worcej a lot to confirm that when he has received PRs in the past, he has not used any kind of breadcrumb.

Look one game back.

How about someone who already knows just tells me.

Also, unrelated but: would someone please send me the link to the Peterbot site?

I don't remember him crumbing, but this is a bozo question.

mafia.peterlund.se

[bo_sox48]

I don't crumb PR roles after like my 3rd game.

It's a lot of effort that most people don't get and just argue against anyways.

I am presuming this is true, but I'd like someone who plays with worcej a lot to confirm that when he has received PRs in the past, he has not used any kind of breadcrumb.

He was also Doctor last game and didn't crumb as far as I remember. You can look on the bot if you want.

And he didn’t submit a night order when he could have kept me alive and basically gone into auto win

Not salty at all

[worcej]

I don't crumb PR roles after like my 3rd game.

It's a lot of effort that most people don't get and just argue against anyways.

I am presuming this is true, but I'd like someone who plays with worcej a lot to confirm that when he has received PRs in the past, he has not used any kind of breadcrumb.

He was also Doctor last game and didn't crumb as far as I remember. You can look on the bot if you want.

I think this is like the 4th time I've drawn doctor and I don't recall ever being a cop lol

[KoalaAttack]

OF COURSE IT ISN'T!

IT'S FUCKING MORONIC THAT YOU ALL JUST WANT TO RANDOM KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THE FLIMSIEST REASONS!

But isn't the entire point of this whole game that it forces us to guess, and we want to kill someone because we do not currently have relatively *better* reasons to kill someone else?

It sure is, KoalaAttack.

I like this KoalaAttack person.

Alrighty – then my question becomes: to those who have played with worcej before, do they flip the lid & throw a tantrum everytime they are voted on?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I don't crumb PR roles after like my 3rd game.

It's a lot of effort that most people don't get and just argue against anyways.

I am presuming this is true, but I'd like someone who plays with worcej a lot to confirm that when he has received PRs in the past, he has not used any kind of breadcrumb.

He was also Doctor last game and didn't crumb as far as I remember. You can look on the bot if you want.

I was about to make a gambler's fallacy joke here, but thought better of it.

[worcej]

I am presuming this is true, but I'd like someone who plays with worcej a lot to confirm that when he has received PRs in the past, he has not used any kind of breadcrumb.

He was also Doctor last game and didn't crumb as far as I remember. You can look on the bot if you want.

And he didn’t submit a night order when he could have kept me alive and basically gone into auto win

Not salty at all

Yeah... that happened...

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 2.3:

worcej(3) - KoalaAttack(END), Chaqa(END), yavuzovic
yavuzovic(2) - BunnyGo, bozotheclown
Chaqa(1) - worcej
bo_sox48(1) - ghug

A little more than 29 hours remain in Day Two of this adventure.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I dunno guys.

Who is scum?

[bo_sox48]

He was also Doctor last game and didn't crumb as far as I remember. You can look on the bot if you want.

And he didn’t submit a night order when he could have kept me alive and basically gone into auto win

Not salty at all

Yeah... that happened...

All good man, I let it out, I’m done with it. Sorry

[worcej]

But isn't the entire point of this whole game that it forces us to guess, and we want to kill someone because we do not currently have relatively *better* reasons to kill someone else?

It sure is, KoalaAttack.

I like this KoalaAttack person.

Alrighty – then my question becomes: to those who have played with worcej before, do they flip the lid & throw a tantrum everytime they are voted on?

I am biased, but yes typically I am notorious for OMGUS'ing so it's very easy to get my alignment figured out by pushing me and watching my reaction.

Oh, and if I am ever overly-nice, I am probably scum.

[damo666]

We have the option to either forget this whole thing and play today like a normal day or hammer. We should not just sit here with most of the field being disincentivized to do anything for another 30 hours, though.

I’m happy to ##END and see if our gambler is good at this.

worcej has spoken, I see no reason not to end it now.

This is the exact fucking shit that drives me fucking nuts.

You see no reason because you have the worst fucking reason to even end me simply because we MIGHT have a gambler.

I laughed that I hit doctor again, but god DAMNIT do you all ruin the game when you just treat it as a shitty list to scratch names off of and force me to ONCE AGAIN CLAIM MY FUCKING ROLE!

Given the Balki claim from mpov you were more likely to be scum than PR.

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote worcej

PR is unlikely to help us anymore anyway. I think the claim makes him slightly more likely to be mafia, because that claim is consistent with what mafia would do in that situation, and inconsistent with what any town role other than doctor would do in that situation.

And, very very minor consideration, but we also may get a Gambler item if we chop worcej today.

Note: I would be a lot more inclined to believe worcej if he had dropped a breadcrumb some place.

[KoalaAttack]

OF COURSE IT ISN'T!

IT'S FUCKING MORONIC THAT YOU ALL JUST WANT TO RANDOM KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THE FLIMSIEST REASONS!

But isn't the entire point of this whole game that it forces us to guess, and we want to kill someone because we do not currently have relatively *better* reasons to kill someone else?

Sure, but if you have no better reason to kill anyone at this point other than going with what you presented for me, then I inherently want you to be killed because, if you're town, you're demonstrating an inability to think beyond yourself and all scum need to do is buddy up to you and play nice to avoid your attention.

I have a far better reason now – yavozovic logic post which unlocks bonus info about lfishl and yavuzovic. That's on top of not-screwing-over-and-helping our Gambler, if there is on.

You have done a fine job addressing the emotional arguments (throwing a tantrum that folks can either find defensive or believe is a valid strategy).

I would love to hear your thoughts on that logical discussion. They would tell me (A) how skilled you are at logic and (B) assuming skilled, your sincerity.

[bozotheclown]

Anyways... my ranting is done for now. Back to the point of my scum list:

• Chaqa's new "meta" is to maintain low effort, but this level of low effort is special in my eyes compared to last game. This game he's latched onto scumming me for a reason that has yet to be seen and continues to jump onto me once someone else actually puts forward a reason - he is following and enabling potential town pushes without actually risking any exposure. It's perfect low-effort scum play.
• Bo is coming off as opportunistic and did good effort to seal in the kill on pyxxy by forcing the issue of his lack of substance. I also see a connection of movement with Chaqa and some distancing occurring between the two, so I primarily want to flip Chaqa first because I see an easy scum pair with the two of them.
• My scumread of bozo is also because he's off meta right now and being more passive when it comes to analytics. It's weak, but I expected some type of effort towards what we think the PRs are to validate an approach to the game. Not seeing something like this by now makes me go a little

I did not see any way to use the random distribution of PRs to obtain information that was more useful to town than to mafia, although at some point we may need to mass claim because we will probably accumulate PR claims instead of mafia DKs.

Why do you think bo_sox would be more likely to push for a pyxxy DK as mafia than as town if D1 was TvT?

[damo666]

@worcej,

I'm trying to understand why you are so angry. People get mischopped all the time in this game. It was the potential hammer that made you so mad?

Also, I retract my role claim. My role is unknown.

So you still might be CWV?

[Balki Bartokomous]

A mass claim is an interesting idea.

It's not like we have a Cop.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@worcej,

I'm trying to understand why you are so angry. People get mischopped all the time in this game. It was the potential hammer that made you so mad?

Also, I retract my role claim. My role is unknown.

So you still might be CWV?

I really could be anything, ya know.

[bozotheclown]

It sure is, KoalaAttack.

I like this KoalaAttack person.

Alrighty – then my question becomes: to those who have played with worcej before, do they flip the lid & throw a tantrum everytime they are voted on?

I am biased, but yes typically I am notorious for OMGUS'ing so it's very easy to get my alignment figured out by pushing me and watching my reaction.

Oh, and if I am ever overly-nice, I am probably scum.

If you were about to be DKed as mafia, would you not react the same way, if that is what is expected of you as town?

[damo666]

If worcej were town wouldn't mafia have NKd him?

This question is particularly aimed at non-worcej voters.

How do you figure?

If I were Maf I'd have killed him.

[Balki Bartokomous]

We probably should not mass claim right now. I think it's too early. Maybe tomorrow.