little known fact - wolfu is the sixth highest poster this game
most of the day 1 posts are frankly boring and uninteresting. talks a fair amount about sabi (much more words about them than any other player)
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:40 pm
dunno, weird fixation on (often trivial) mechanics in more casual game environments tends toward town more often than not in my experience
kind of felt like - mechanically minded players will try to latch onto basically anything concrete, even if trivial/not very important, b/c its their entry point into the game, not as used to making social reads
(definitely feels like a setup where more fun to be scum than town)
wouldn't necessarily hang my hat on that read but seemed okay to me
hedging reads, and it's also weird because he's clearly looking to be part of the conversation without actually addressing a person. he mentions no players by name but i think this post is about bozo? trying to justify a townread on bozo with suspect reasoning is like, offbeat. he later claims that this was a 'belief, but not a strongly held belief,' which to me is like ??? What does it mean to believe something only somewhat? You can't reason this shit through with something prior half-baked
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 2:02 pm
Princess Neon wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 1:45 pm
I recently refused to kill a friend of mine Minish while she was focusing on mech without much solve, talked town out of it 3 days in a row game set up with a lot of mech to look into. She end gamed as woof. Convinced me it was helpful for town... it was not.
okay i'm just speaking in generalized archetypes
i get where you're coming from though, have subscribed to that view myself in the past, still getting a view of things myself so no conclusive reads but wanted to offer a counterpoint
apparently didn't have a read but wanted to make a counterpoint - i feel like this is at least somewhat bullshit. 1) in the original post, he didn't actually address any specific person (as mentioned), and 2) basically ignores the actual point of neon's post (mechs posts are not actually that helpful and are easy for scum to hide behind, etc)
i called this shit out at the time and he responded with 'lol ok'
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:14 pm
brainbomb wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:11 pm
Damo is more just, if I find him totally annoying and I wanna kill him or strangle him hes town. Usually he does something that is ridiculously irritating when he is town and this feels like that. I dont know his scumgame as well but I think its not that powerful. he gets caught as a wolf alot. not to say he is bad, but his tricks are well documented and known by this community.
Lol i can already see what you mean
i also argued this post with wolfu (which sabi probably relegated to the filler category. sad!). wolfu literally cannot see what brain means without either having played with damo before (already known to have not happened) or to known for a fact that damo is town.
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:38 pm
kind of like bona coming at me for not being helpful but maybe i'm just a sucker for that sort of thing
pyxxy gives me a bit of posting just to post vibes which is maybe scum indicative
pocketing attempt notable failure
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:35 pm
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Bonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:23 pm
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 3:14 pm
Lol i can already see what you mean
how do you see what he means? i don't believe you've ever played with damo, so why should this register as something you see and agree with already?
because as i was reading i saw posts made by damo that seemed to fit the exact description brainbomb gave of him
again - beancomb's descriptions were conditional on alignment.
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:59 pm
the more bona starts to annoy me with his questions the more town i begin to think he is
almost verbatim the same damn post
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:12 pm
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 6:58 pm
to agree with brainbomb's assessment of his play as each alignment, you necessarily have to know damo's alignment
no, that's not how this works
brainbomb said damo as town is annoying and hunts in (what he perceives as) antitown ways
at that time as i'm discussing these reads damo comse in with some posts about how the survey will be illuminating but he's not going to explain why yet and we need to force people to participate
he's talking like he's doing a magic trick and doesn't want to reveal the surprise to the audience just yet
which seems to me way more like a town who is self-absorbed with some idea they totally think is great even though i am dubious of its usefulness
so you observe damo acting in accordance with what brain said he does as town, which means you are using the metric, but no town could possibly agree with it because you don't actually know damo's alignment. sabi is going to call me a pedant here but there is a legitimate difference that's completely obvious if you spend a second thinking about it. this man, if he's town, cannot possibly have a basis for agreeing with brain's metric. if he's scum and damo is town, then he knows it works (at least in this case), and if he's scum and damo is scum, then he can just use it to generate easy town credit for damo. there's no reason for town wolfu to be able to agree with whatever brain said, but that's what he did.
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:26 pm
read damo's past games and he's, uh, unconventional to say the least
not enugh data to judge but gut still says town
comes up with this after i've spent a fair amount of time arguing. rather unimpressive and unconvicing
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:52 pm
bo_sox48 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:49 pm
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 7:26 pm
read damo's past games and he's, uh, unconventional to say the least
not enugh data to judge but gut still says town
Have you actually read damo’s past games?
i mean i used your (extremely nifty) bot to look at some of the older games and skimmed the posts to see if he has any really obvious patterns in his play
did so because people mentioned him getting D1'ed in your last game and wanted to see if he's a common misyeet or not
here comes bo! my buddy. not clear how much was actually read or shit, or which games.
I searched the bot.
The first mention of damo being killed d1 was an hour before EoD before worcej. The original post agreeing with brain was 4, almost 5 hours before that. Curious!
claims he can explain every read in his big readlist, doesn't.
wolfu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:50 pm
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:48 pm
using brain's understanding of damo (cringe) and agreeing with it are two different things. you can say, 'hey according to brain's metric, damo is town', but you don't have the repeat games with damo to actually know for yourself - brain could be bullshittting you. there's simply no way for you to 'agree' with brain's metric
are you always this much of a pedant?
if you'll recall, the whole statement i made that kicked this extended dialogue off is "i see what you mean"
so isn't that...exactly what you're saying?
minimizes my shit by calling it pedantry, doesn't actually answer my point
spends much of n1 posting but not addressing the game; continues calling me incorrect town
wolfu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:50 pm
anyway now that i'm home my rationale for voting tom is as follows:
1. brainbomb and riot were both repping confident scumreads on tom
2. brain died with a confident townread on riot
3. these are smart capable players and when smart capable players have a strong meta scumread the best thing to do is shut up and sheep
honestly this post alone should justify voting this guy. 'wao i'm just following the experienced guys, don't mind me'. like shit, what a cop out. i understand it's hard to find scumreads as scum but there's better ways than this
wolfu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:45 pm
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 11:00 pm
wolfu wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:54 pm
i think sabi might be mafia
not really confident but reading their iso that's the vibe i get
sources, MLA format, are required for this assignment
sure
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read the post please
i think it's pretty fair wrt damo but it basically skims over everything that sabi posted about me and doesn't quote the majority of it.
doesn't explain why sabi doing anything s is actually a scumtell and not just a sabitell. maybe he's played with scumbi recently and recognizes it - but he sure doesn't say that.
wolfu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 7:34 pm
okay, been waiting to say: we're nearing the halfway mark of this day phase, it's been 48 hours including the night phase. tom has outed almost no reads of significance, done no analysis, only asked a few questions to random people that i can't see him going anywhere with. he had time to step it up when riot and brainbomb started calling him out and instead he's done the opposite, seemingly retreating into lurking and offering very little. what started as a sheeped read has become a serious scumread of my own.
decides to open up on tom today - no leadup on that at ALL. on d1 he was put as high leantown. today he first justifies it with he trusts brain and hr's read on tom, but NOW comes out with this, which is like, dude, you're supposed to have your reasoning before your vote.
tl;dr:
wolfu's name is accurate
get em