M76 - Dungeons and Dragons - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

I thought I was supposed to prove I don't have the double. Does no kill prove I don't have the double?

Yes

Oh. Is no kill different from unvote?

Yes. It's a valid vote unlike Unvote. It just means you don't want a day kill. It's allowed.

[Princess Neon]

neon has acknowledged that you have out of game circumstances functioning as mitigating circumstances, so idt that's an entirely fair claim

also it's literally d2 lol. there shouldn't be cases for the sake of cases

I can literally make accurate cases day 1... like I don't get your outlook

"there shouldn't be cases for the sake of cases"

i don't deny that it's possible to be right on day 1 (not really possible to be super confident without a super hard slip a la yoak or a mechanical thing) but i think that just shitting out a case because you think you're supposed to is not worthwhile.

It's not for the sake of it. It's reading into interactions reactions meta psychology. That's the point of the game, in a vanilla game with no PRs how are you going to find scum if you can't read interactions at a base level.

Of course I think everyone has different strengths and weaknesses there is no right way to play mafia nor is there a wrong way but being able to read and make cases really is a strength that I envy in the best players I've ever played with

[damo666]

Rumi never self vote.

You can vote no kill if you want your vote somewhere that's a valid vote

I thought I was supposed to prove I don't have the double. Does no kill prove I don't have the double?

Yes

Well let's make sure. Paladin is Double Vote no Additional Vote. 2*0=0.

@GM if Paladin No Votes how would this be reported in terms of number of votes?

[BesharamSabi]

I thought I was supposed to prove I don't have the double. Does no kill prove I don't have the double?

Yes

Well let's make sure. Paladin is Double Vote no Additional Vote. 2*0=0.

@GM if Paladin No Votes how would this be reported in terms of number of votes?

She said no kill not no vote.

[damo666]

So riot, rumi, ike, and me ahould not share space on any wagon with any of the rest of us.

In fact wouldn't it be reasonable to ask Rumi, Ike and HR all to self vote on the understanding no-one else will vote these slots? I don't see why as town [or indeed non Paladin scum] they would not comply.

We then get Darg sorted for sure.

In fact darg could self vote as well.

Thoughts on this plan please. Particularly from those four.

[damo666]

Yes

Well let's make sure. Paladin is Double Vote no Additional Vote. 2*0=0.

@GM if Paladin No Votes how would this be reported in terms of number of votes?

She said no kill not no vote.

Sorry, I meant no kill obviously.

[Princess Neon]

So riot, rumi, ike, and me ahould not share space on any wagon with any of the rest of us.

In fact wouldn't it be reasonable to ask Rumi, Ike and HR all to self vote on the understanding no-one else will vote these slots? I don't see why as town [or indeed non Paladin scum] they would not comply.

We then get Darg sorted for sure.

In fact darg could self vote as well.

Thoughts on this plan please. Particularly from those four.

No... this is awful.

[Bonatogether]

I can literally make accurate cases day 1... like I don't get your outlook

"there shouldn't be cases for the sake of cases"

i don't deny that it's possible to be right on day 1 (not really possible to be super confident without a super hard slip a la yoak or a mechanical thing) but i think that just shitting out a case because you think you're supposed to is not worthwhile.

I kind of understand what you're saying, and maybe agree to some extent? But I think its possible for you to say it in a less confrontational / escalatory manner? I don't think the phrasing is really helping things.

me talking about cases was in reference to sabi saying that neon and wolfu had seen them make cases and the lack of such this game was why (or a crucial factor why) they were being scumread

[damo666]

So riot, rumi, ike, and me ahould not share space on any wagon with any of the rest of us.

In fact wouldn't it be reasonable to ask Rumi, Ike and HR all to self vote on the understanding no-one else will vote these slots? I don't see why as town [or indeed non Paladin scum] they would not comply.

We then get Darg sorted for sure.

In fact darg could self vote as well.

Thoughts on this plan please. Particularly from those four.

No... this is awful.

Why?

[damo666]

So riot, rumi, ike, and me ahould not share space on any wagon with any of the rest of us.

In fact wouldn't it be reasonable to ask Rumi, Ike and HR all to self vote on the understanding no-one else will vote these slots? I don't see why as town [or indeed non Paladin scum] they would not comply.

We then get Darg sorted for sure.

In fact darg could self vote as well.

Thoughts on this plan please. Particularly from those four.

No... this is awful.

I suppose it is from a scum pov if one of them is a teammate.

[Bonatogether]

I can literally make accurate cases day 1... like I don't get your outlook

"there shouldn't be cases for the sake of cases"

i don't deny that it's possible to be right on day 1 (not really possible to be super confident without a super hard slip a la yoak or a mechanical thing) but i think that just shitting out a case because you think you're supposed to is not worthwhile.

It's not for the sake of it. It's reading into interactions reactions meta psychology. That's the point of the game, in a vanilla game with no PRs how are you going to find scum if you can't read interactions at a base level.

Of course I think everyone has different strengths and weaknesses there is no right way to play mafia nor is there a wrong way but being able to read and make cases really is a strength that I envy in the best players I've ever played with

i agree making cases is the way you catch scum but it's not like 'if i make x cases/day, then we'll win'. cases should flow naturally and be driven by 'i see a pattern and i want to make it really clear for everyone else to see' (for example).

also i was specifically referring to sabi saying they hadn't being making cases as a reason that they were being scummy/being scumread, and i was trying to point out that on d2, if it hadn't happened yet, it hadn't happened yet and that was kinda that

[Bonatogether]

So riot, rumi, ike, and me ahould not share space on any wagon with any of the rest of us.

In fact wouldn't it be reasonable to ask Rumi, Ike and HR all to self vote on the understanding no-one else will vote these slots? I don't see why as town [or indeed non Paladin scum] they would not comply.

We then get Darg sorted for sure.

In fact darg could self vote as well.

Thoughts on this plan please. Particularly from those four.

this seems not worth it. if we see a double vote present that's not darg, then we can do this and kill them d4. we don't know that a paladin is present, so no need to find them until we know they exist.

[damo666]

So riot, rumi, ike, and me ahould not share space on any wagon with any of the rest of us.

In fact wouldn't it be reasonable to ask Rumi, Ike and HR all to self vote on the understanding no-one else will vote these slots? I don't see why as town [or indeed non Paladin scum] they would not comply.

We then get Darg sorted for sure.

In fact darg could self vote as well.

Thoughts on this plan please. Particularly from those four.

this seems not worth it. if we see a double vote present that's not darg, then we can do this and kill them d4. we don't know that a paladin is present, so no need to find them until we know they exist.

OK that makes sense.

[dargorygel]

In fact wouldn't it be reasonable to ask Rumi, Ike and HR all to self vote on the understanding no-one else will vote these slots? I don't see why as town [or indeed non Paladin scum] they would not comply.

We then get Darg sorted for sure.

In fact darg could self vote as well.

Thoughts on this plan please. Particularly from those four.

this seems not worth it. if we see a double vote present that's not darg, then we can do this and kill them d4. we don't know that a paladin is present, so no need to find them until we know they exist.

OK that makes sense.

Id do it if the room prefers. But we get the same result if we don't vote with others if "the four."

[pyxxy]

alright I'm back home from a hard day's work, time for some shitposting, aha I mean careful analysis

[damo666]

this seems not worth it. if we see a double vote present that's not darg, then we can do this and kill them d4. we don't know that a paladin is present, so no need to find them until we know they exist.

OK that makes sense.

Id do it if the room prefers. But we get the same result if we don't vote with others if "the four."

No, it's fine, see Bona's response and mine to his.

[pyxxy]

i think sabi might be mafia

not really confident but reading their iso that's the vibe i get

sources, MLA format, are required for this assignment

sure

so the general feeling i get is i'm not sure i see sabi working toward anything in their posts

normally my expectation is they try to build a towncore etc and they do give a few townreads once but they don't do it a lot, they don't build on those reads

they have two scumreads: you and damo. and the reasoning for both feels pretty unfair?

[wolfu wall post continues after here, cut for space reasons]

*wolfy pop in*

Nyquil didn't put me to sleep so I was doing stuff to prep for next weekend.

Yea I'm not being my usual self this game. The set up is weird and the atmosphere is uncomfortable for me. I am struggling to find other town people and people are just not playing like they usually do hence why my ability to make a town core is not here.

I dunno, I just feel a bit lost.

But yea I'm going to try to get better at this game.

But yea scum reads are fine on me. I need some sort of pressure to push me.

I agree with this sentiment. I actually kinda expected Neon and Sabi to towncore each other on D1. I got a lot of mutually trusting vibes from the two of them. And I don't think it would have been a bad thing. I think Sabi would be in a better place rn with a partner by their side, even if they were hypothetically being pocketed. I think Sabi just plays better that way.

In before someone says I'm saying that Sabi is immune to pocketing

Kinda raises the question of "Would scum!Sabi experiment with acting this way?" I mean, it is a different Sabi than I've ever seen before. Pretty much everyone agrees on this point.

But I'm not convinced it's scummy. At least not actively. Sure if Sabi is alive on D5 and hasn't really solved anything then that would be sus, but rn I think it's fine. Someone needs to shout at Bona

[wolfu]

Like wolfu - you don’t think it’s weird that Neon is sheeping brain here for all his good points ? And when I asked for the reasons they still haven’t given any??

i mean, like - am i wrong in saying you've offered basically no stances?

Yes. You just don’t read them.

As far as I know, I’m the only person wondering if Bona is scum because of the late movement to worcej instead of Bona (in particular RHK)

I’ve expressed townreads on Neon (now wavering), Rumi, rdr.

I’m not keen on Sabi. I was pretty clear on my stance on darg per claim.

sigh, okay. i haven't been pying particular attention to what neon is saying about you i'll have to reread it

you are far from the only one to have expressed suspicion of bona, though

[Rumi Tobari]

So riot, rumi, ike, and me ahould not share space on any wagon with any of the rest of us.

In fact wouldn't it be reasonable to ask Rumi, Ike and HR all to self vote on the understanding no-one else will vote these slots? I don't see why as town [or indeed non Paladin scum] they would not comply.

We then get Darg sorted for sure.

In fact darg could self vote as well.

Thoughts on this plan please. Particularly from those four.

this seems not worth it. if we see a double vote present that's not darg, then we can do this and kill them d4. we don't know that a paladin is present, so no need to find them until we know they exist.

So to my understanding, we've gone from vote anywhere not the four to vote anywhere not darg? Correct?

[wolfu]

i just got to bona's wallpost on me

he's town who is very bad at this game

big marluxion vibes