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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:07 pm
by ghug
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:53 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:42 pm
Why would it be a scumslip?
It might be an attempt at a townslip but why would it be a scumslip? Scum would know all this already.
Before I re-asked my call gm question and you answered, Rumi wrote this:
Rumi Tobari wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:10 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:05 pm
The way the Bus Driver interacts with the name tags is a bit broken in this setup if you ask me, because it occurs to me that the Bus Driver can *choose* which person's name tag they steal, and which person they give their original name tag to.
Maybe I am thinking about this too much. Meh.
No. I fully agree with you. Night events are an order of operations problem: BCFSD
Bus trades on swap
Cop trades on scan
Florist trades on delivery
Strongman trades on kill
Doctor trades on heal
Neon claimed the flower delivery. So assuming that is true, it means Neon has drag's original tag, and the Strongman now has Neon's.
But on the subject of your thoughts that Bus Driver is broken, do you feel it would be less so if Bus came after Cop or Florist in the order of operations.
Bolding is mine.
Also Rumi's order is wrong, it's BFCMD.
Rumi's post is why I re-asked my question. Because only scum would know
which scum went to perform the kill.
And specifically the google doc setup says mafia, not strongman:
Rumi Tobari wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:36 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:32 pm
Ok, fair. The answer is that the Mafia collectively decide on which one of them will perform the kill, and it can be any of them - however if they want to use the Strongman power then of course on that night in particular it has to be the Strongman that performs the kill. I'll let DemonVHS confirm this but I am 100% confident of this answer.
Okay. I guess I didn't read the setup close enough. I thought strongman performed the kill.
I don't think this is an open and shut case of scumslip.
Rumi has been very active and self-aware in the thread, and could have remembered what he wrote 2 hours ago.
But I think it's suspicious to pro-actively say "oops I was wrong about that" when no one's even pointed it out yet. There's being self-aware, and there's trying to distract someone from pointing out that you messed up.
Am I completely off-base here?
I like this for pyxxy but I think it's more likely she just thought the strongman performs the kill and then realized.
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:08 pm
by President Eden
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:59 pm
@Eden and Bona: don't vote for Snowy yet, it's too early.
I unironically don’t get this take
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:09 pm
by snowy801
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:08 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:59 pm
@Eden and Bona: don't vote for Snowy yet, it's too early.
I unironically don’t get this take
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:11 pm
by President Eden
No but like what’s that based on, just (admittedly ample) past experience? Bc we can just not do what we always do and actually stay on task for once lol…
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:12 pm
by ghug
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:23 pm
snowy801 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:15 pm
Vecna wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:14 pm
so we all hyped for 3.19, or what?
I dunno what this reference is but this is a bait if I've ever seen one
Vecna is clearly getting excited for Bible study class.
John 3.19:
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
Amen.
light considered harmful
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:12 pm
by snowy801
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:11 pm
No but like what’s that based on, just (admittedly ample) past experience? Bc we can just not do what we always do and actually stay on task for once lol…
I mean I've always swelled my scum teammates' wagons mid day whenever I could because it almost always fizzles out if you do that
Take that as you will
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:13 pm
by snowy801
Also even if I were scum what's the value of a day in learning nothing but that?
Most games are solvable by day 2
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:14 pm
by ghug
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:32 pm
Anybody else get the vibe that snowy is just caught mafia who’s passing time, hanging out, having fun, and seeing how long it takes us to send him home
Kinda yeah but I also think he's gonna sandbag for a day regardless and reading d1 sounds awful.
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:16 pm
by ghug
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:43 pm
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:32 pm
Anybody else get the vibe that snowy is just caught mafia who’s passing time, hanging out, having fun, and seeing how long it takes us to send him home
Oh, I 100% intent to honor my promise to hammer Snowy at EOD. There is no more optimal recourse to this game's progression at this moment to me.
##CALL GM What's the interaction between end votes and modifier tags?
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:16 pm
by ghug
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:46 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:43 pm
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:32 pm
Anybody else get the vibe that snowy is just caught mafia who’s passing time, hanging out, having fun, and seeing how long it takes us to send him home
Oh, I 100% intent to honor my promise to hammer Snowy at EOD. There is no more optimal recourse to this game's progression at this moment to me.
If you still have the 0 vote tag does your end vote counts to the hammer?
##Ask GM.
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:18 pm
by ghug
snowy801 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:38 pm
My next best guesses are celaph, rdrivera, bo, vecna and pyxxy
Don't @ me
As there is no reasonable way for me to catch up by EoD I'm just not going to try and just ISO bona instead as he suggested way back when
i s o b a d
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:19 pm
by ghug
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:40 pm
ghug wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:38 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:00 am
So, this argument between Worcej and Eden.
I feel like this loud frustration is Town Worcej.
President Eden is being weird.
If I understand it:
Eden had declared Bona to be one of his top townreads. Then, for some reason, he flipped over to making Bona his #1 scumread without any explanation.
Then, Worcej pressured him to explain himself and he first of all asserted that he had already given "hundreds of words" on the subject, but then apparently recanted on that position and now asserts that he won't explain his scumread on Bona.
@President Eden: Why do you expect anyone to join you on Bona if you're unwilling to explain yourself? If you've got a "gotcha" on him that you refuse to discuss until a later date, wouldn't it make sense to leave Bona until then?
Can a man pressure a hunch in peace? Jeez. He's in the PoE pool and he seems disinterested. That's enough for a vote at the beginning of D2.
This was a long time ago, Ghug.
But since you mention it, Bona doesn't strike me as "disinterested" this game at all, Ghug. What gives you that impression exactly, Ghug?
The last 48 or so hours.
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm
by President Eden
snowy801 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:12 pm
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:11 pm
No but like what’s that based on, just (admittedly ample) past experience? Bc we can just not do what we always do and actually stay on task for once lol…
I mean I've always swelled my scum teammates' wagons mid day whenever I could because it almost always fizzles out if you do that
Take that as you will
That’s kind of legit, but nothing is stopping people from actually moving their vote for more pressing matters… maybe Chaqa’s since it doesn’t real lol! but it seems like this isn’t actually a reason not to vote you, but a reason not to try to marshal everyone to do it right now (which I agree is pointless atm)
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm
by Chaqa
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:08 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:59 pm
@Eden and Bona: don't vote for Snowy yet, it's too early.
I unironically don’t get this take
Early wagons become dead wagons. This is wagonomics 101.
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:22 pm
by snowy801
Seriously Eden how do you know less about this than Chaqa
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:22 pm
by President Eden
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:08 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:59 pm
@Eden and Bona: don't vote for Snowy yet, it's too early.
I unironically don’t get this take
Early wagons become dead wagons. This is wagonomics 101.
That’s definitely not always or necessarily true. This sounds more like an admonishment not to burn people out on the snowy question (fair!) than a reason not to vote him
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:22 pm
by rdrivera2005
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:50 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:47 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 5:45 pm
Rivera you're giving the impression that you're actually paying attention to the game!!!! Careful!!!!!!!!
I always pay attention to the game. I just skipped half the night posts lol.
Ah so you log on, scroll back maybe 10 pages if that, catch up, post 1-3 times, log off, repeat?
Exactly, except I am trying to keep not more then 6 pages if possible and I don't log off, just get back to my work.
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:29 pm
by Rumi Tobari
ghug wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:07 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:53 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:42 pm
Why would it be a scumslip?
It might be an attempt at a townslip but why would it be a scumslip? Scum would know all this already.
Before I re-asked my call gm question and you answered, Rumi wrote this:
Rumi Tobari wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:10 pm
No. I fully agree with you. Night events are an order of operations problem: BCFSD
Bus trades on swap
Cop trades on scan
Florist trades on delivery
Strongman trades on kill
Doctor trades on heal
Neon claimed the flower delivery. So assuming that is true, it means Neon has drag's original tag, and the Strongman now has Neon's.
But on the subject of your thoughts that Bus Driver is broken, do you feel it would be less so if Bus came after Cop or Florist in the order of operations.
Bolding is mine.
Also Rumi's order is wrong, it's BFCMD.
Rumi's post is why I re-asked my question. Because only scum would know
which scum went to perform the kill.
And specifically the google doc setup says mafia, not strongman:
Rumi Tobari wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:36 pm
Okay. I guess I didn't read the setup close enough. I thought strongman performed the kill.
I don't think this is an open and shut case of scumslip.
Rumi has been very active and self-aware in the thread, and could have remembered what he wrote 2 hours ago.
But I think it's suspicious to pro-actively say "oops I was wrong about that" when no one's even pointed it out yet. There's being self-aware, and there's trying to distract someone from pointing out that you messed up.
Am I completely off-base here?
I like this for pyxxy but I think it's more likely she just thought the strongman performs the kill and then realized.
Totally this. But alternatively I'm totally scum and got caught.
It's a hassle to type on mobile. How do you people do it?
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:30 pm
by Chaqa
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:22 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:08 pm
I unironically don’t get this take
Early wagons become dead wagons. This is wagonomics 101.
That’s definitely not always or necessarily true. This sounds more like an admonishment not to burn people out on the snowy question (fair!) than a reason not to vote him
That's... the same thing, more or less. Too many people on here fall into the "If you're so suspicious of this person why aren't you voting them with 30 hours to go? SCUm!!!!"
You know who you are.
Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:31 pm
by snowy801
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:30 pm
President Eden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:22 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:20 pm
Early wagons become dead wagons. This is wagonomics 101.
That’s definitely not always or necessarily true. This sounds more like an admonishment not to burn people out on the snowy question (fair!) than a reason not to vote him
That's... the same thing, more or less. Too many people on here fall into the "If you're so suspicious of this person why aren't you voting them with 30 hours to go? SCUm!!!!"
You know who you are.
me
