MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[ghug]

I am probably the oldest one around now that Dargo is gone. I don't understand half the jokes (probably more, because some are just lost in translation too).

I asked you to explain something earlier and I don't remember what it was but I don't believe you did so.

I think it was my vote on Celaph, but I already explained to Rumi.

You explained why not bona but not why celaph, that I can see.

Why celaph?

[President Eden]

I asked you to explain something earlier and I don't remember what it was but I don't believe you did so.

I think it was my vote on Celaph, but I already explained to Rumi.

Ok I guess I'll go iso you

[Jamiet99uk]

I think it was my vote on Celaph, but I already explained to Rumi.

Ok I guess I'll go iso you

Ghug considered hypocrite

[ghug]

Fuck I'm caught

[rdrivera2005]

I asked you to explain something earlier and I don't remember what it was but I don't believe you did so.

I think it was my vote on Celaph, but I already explained to Rumi.

You explained why not bona but not why celaph, that I can see.

Why celaph?

Why not?

He hadn't done a single thing I can remember and people seems to just ignore he is playing, which I find odd.

[Princess Neon]

My next best guesses are celaph, rdrivera, bo, vecna and pyxxy

Don't @ me

As there is no reasonable way for me to catch up by EoD I'm just not going to try and just ISO bona instead as he suggested way back when

i s o b a d

Why?

Playing the game of mafia b a d

[snowy801]

i s o b a d

Why?

Playing the game of mafia b a d

Truer words never spoken

[celaph]

So anyway, in not Eden and worcej land

How do people feel about *checks notes* pyxxy?

Fun to play with. I feel like he played D1 to maximize his joke to content ratio leaving me with the feeling that he was just skating by because no one wanted to challenge him about it.

Since then I would characterize his style as making otherwise good posts without good conclusions.

For example, Pyxxy had some good analysis here and even provided some thoughts about how believable he found the claims, but it's not clear to me is his read of Sabi changes in any way because of his analysis nor do I ever really think he's spelled out a read there.

Sabi is town vs. Sabi is scum
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And I feel similarly about his questioning of rdr and his posts today about mafia's kill. I don't mind the ideas in them, but I'm left with little idea of what he actually is thinking about the game which concerns me. On the positive side, he has done a good job at answering questions before so: @pyxxy, what are your reads on Sabi/Snowy?

On a meta point: if scum Pyxxy was actively discussing me being a potential NK with scum who know my meta, I don't think that he would have me as an easy miskill target.

[ghug]

I think it was my vote on Celaph, but I already explained to Rumi.

You explained why not bona but not why celaph, that I can see.

Why celaph?

Why not?

He hadn't done a single thing I can remember and people seems to just ignore he is playing, which I find odd.

I think he's been pretty consistently insightful and far more involved than, say, you.

[snowy801]

You explained why not bona but not why celaph, that I can see.

Why celaph?

Why not?

He hadn't done a single thing I can remember and people seems to just ignore he is playing, which I find odd.

I think he's been pretty consistently insightful and far more involved than, say, you.

What points of insight do you recall from celaph?

[celaph]

But he's only town if he's loud and wrong.

This is just a biased take. Even if you consider Worcej a broken clock, you'd have to conclude he is at least right twice a day.

[ghug]

Hey celaph, wanna ##VOTE Veccypoo with me?

[ghug]

How about yourself, James?

[Jamiet99uk]

How about yourself, James?

Vecna is in the potential pool.

Why do you scumread him?

[ghug]

How about yourself, James?

Vecna is in the potential pool.

Why do you scumread him?

He continues to fail to impress while other candidates like you and pyxxy are doing more. I don't mind the Sabi wagon and I imagine there's no way around the snowy pressure, but I'd like some more things to happen

[celaph]

I'm in the middle of people trying to understand Eden's vote though with the benefit of the bot letting me know his vote has moved since.

I don't think his vote is a sign that he has a scum read on Bona, but rather that he wants to generate information from Bona to back his read. Even just looking at D1, he puts Bona as solid town before latter concluding that Bona is light on content.

Solid Town: Rumi, Bona

Bona son, I went to reread your big catch-up post that impressed me the first time, and on a reread I note that you’re actually pretty light on alignment-specific conclusions and mostly recapping. Can you tell me who you’re open to killing, who you are willing to give a day, and who you think is just town?

He once again put Bona as solid town N1 before adding that

But yea I do kinda have to admit that he hasn’t had the zeal this night phase that I’m used to. And I’m pretty sure I caught him booting up HOI4 while I was home for lunch, so it’s not school yet.

The important part of the post is not the fact that Bona was playing Hoi4, but that he was lacking in zeal. If I had to guess, I think that Eden townread is mostly vibe based which is why he both asked Bona for more information D1 and is trying to generate more information on Bona today.

tl;dr PE very towny, probably not a cop. Get off his wagon.

[Jamiet99uk]

How about yourself, James?

Vecna is in the potential pool.

Why do you scumread him?

He continues to fail to impress while other candidates like you and pyxxy are doing more. I don't mind the Sabi wagon and I imagine there's no way around the snowy pressure, but I'd like some more things to happen

He is failing to impress me also. That is fair comment.

Do you scumread Snowy/Byz? Don't you think Byz was super sketchy in the last half of yesterday in particular?

[President Eden]

FYI I’m going to be only intermittently checking the thread from now til ~8pm Central, where I will not be checking the thread at all for a few hours. So if you want to speedrun miskilling me just know I won’t be around to helplessly claim 100% vanilla

[rdrivera2005]

You explained why not bona but not why celaph, that I can see.

Why celaph?

Why not?

He hadn't done a single thing I can remember and people seems to just ignore he is playing, which I find odd.

I think he's been pretty consistently insightful and far more involved than, say, you.

I think using me as a comparison is a low standard, but I will wait you to answer to Snowy....

[pyxxy]

For example, Pyxxy had some good analysis here and even provided some thoughts about how believable he found the claims, but it's not clear to me is his read of Sabi changes in any way because of his analysis nor do I ever really think he's spelled out a read there.

Sabi is town vs. Sabi is scum
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On the positive side, he has done a good job at answering questions before so: @pyxxy, what are your reads on Sabi/Snowy?

> I would characterize his style as making otherwise good posts without good conclusions.

This is like, A+ feedback.

My opinion of Sabi dives towards scummy whenever they're on the thread for more than an hour, and then it recovers over time. Given they're on a break rn, they're sitting in my "open to voting for today but need to see them back in the thread first" list.

Things Sabi has done so far + my opinion:
- calling the thread dead = normal
- talking to no one about town apathy = normal
- flipflopping and thinking out loud in the thread? = normal

Eden looks terrible under pressure and the whole weird ate at the end.

(some things omitted -pyxxy)
I just don't see w!eden turning on Bona in any world. Eden isn't that bad at mafia.

Tl;dr I don't see eden being scum

woops I just wandered off for 15 minutes re-reading scum!Sabi in M1021
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... N1-&g=1021

I don't get the feeling that this is the same Sabi as M1021 scum!Sabi. There's a lot less trying to direct the conversation and push wagons. Much more light commentary. I would love to see them make a ranked list from town to scum like what Eden did.

This difference in behavior could be because M1021 had a mafia daychat. When there was a lot more coordination and direction for Sabi to go off of.

And note that their strongest topic from N1 onwards was revealing their nametag
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=N1-&g=75

And it comes ~20 minutes after EOD. Not right after, not with the RIP damo post, despite being online at EOD and posting this

Afk eod suck ass

which I think is referring to damo being afk, not 100% sure.

The Deathbomb discussion took up a lot of time and thought. It's 100% on brand for Sabi to peek + randomly tell us about it + not think through the town consequences for doing so. I could see scum!Sabi knowing that this looks 100% on brand and doing it since it's anti-town.

Especially if theoretically all the scum peeked right away on N1 and then decided for Sabi to claim Deathbomb. True or not, it was and still is anti-town behavior and it's a key part of why I'm suspicious of them.