MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2221 Post by Rumi Tobari » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:51 pm

Also I think I found why Byz dropped.
Byz wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:38 pm
Wait, we post at night?
Byz has indicated I think that he is GMing another game and also was somewhat busy with work. I suspect that in this other game, posting at night is not a thing, as Byz seemed to be surprised by this fact.

This expectation of night posting probably threw Byz for a loop as he was likely expecting to not have to post here and be able to focus on other things, and so he dropped.
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2222 Post by President Eden » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:54 pm

Rumi Tobari wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:51 pm
Also I think I found why Byz dropped.
Byz wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:38 pm
Wait, we post at night?
Byz has indicated I think that he is GMing another game and also was somewhat busy with work. I suspect that in this other game, posting at night is not a thing, as Byz seemed to be surprised by this fact.

This expectation of night posting probably threw Byz for a loop as he was likely expecting to not have to post here and be able to focus on other things, and so he dropped.
That’s possible. I believe the recent meta has been really skewed toward replacing being mafia-indicative, but he did state upfront that he had a lot of other commitments and I didn’t see any reason to doubt that.
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2223 Post by Rumi Tobari » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:56 pm

President Eden wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:54 pm
Rumi Tobari wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:51 pm
Also I think I found why Byz dropped.
Byz wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 10:38 pm
Wait, we post at night?
Byz has indicated I think that he is GMing another game and also was somewhat busy with work. I suspect that in this other game, posting at night is not a thing, as Byz seemed to be surprised by this fact.

This expectation of night posting probably threw Byz for a loop as he was likely expecting to not have to post here and be able to focus on other things, and so he dropped.
That’s possible. I believe the recent meta has been really skewed toward replacing being mafia-indicative, but he did state upfront that he had a lot of other commitments and I didn’t see any reason to doubt that.
Speaking of that, that builds on something I was wondering. Is this surprise at posting in the forum at night potentially indicative of anything? I recall it being mentioned that scumchat is discord based?

Also, out of curiosity, why would replacing be mafia-indicative? Someone withdrawing because they think they've been correctly scumread?
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2224 Post by Rumi Tobari » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:58 pm

Rumi Tobari wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:56 pm
President Eden wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:54 pm
Rumi Tobari wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:51 pm
Also I think I found why Byz dropped.

Byz has indicated I think that he is GMing another game and also was somewhat busy with work. I suspect that in this other game, posting at night is not a thing, as Byz seemed to be surprised by this fact.

This expectation of night posting probably threw Byz for a loop as he was likely expecting to not have to post here and be able to focus on other things, and so he dropped.
That’s possible. I believe the recent meta has been really skewed toward replacing being mafia-indicative, but he did state upfront that he had a lot of other commitments and I didn’t see any reason to doubt that.
Speaking of that, that builds on something I was wondering. Is this surprise at posting in the forum at night potentially indicative of anything? I recall it being mentioned that scumchat is discord based?

Also, out of curiosity, why would replacing be mafia-indicative? Someone withdrawing because they think they've been correctly scumread?
Oh. I didn't even think of how that actually worked out when I suggested I'd withdraw rather than be scum. That would actually indicate whoever replaced me is scum.

I really don't think these kinds of "consequences" things through x.x
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2225 Post by BesharamSabi » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:59 pm

I haven't found a website that does night chat except here. Webdip isn't the norm when it comes to night chat. I also forgot to tell him that. Playdip and MU close the thread at night
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2226 Post by BesharamSabi » Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:59 pm

So. Yea it's my fault.

I also forgot to tell neon
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#2227 Post by snowy801 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:01 am

I blame Eden personally
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2228 Post by President Eden » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:03 am

Rumi Tobari wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:56 pm
President Eden wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:54 pm
Rumi Tobari wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:51 pm
Also I think I found why Byz dropped.

Byz has indicated I think that he is GMing another game and also was somewhat busy with work. I suspect that in this other game, posting at night is not a thing, as Byz seemed to be surprised by this fact.

This expectation of night posting probably threw Byz for a loop as he was likely expecting to not have to post here and be able to focus on other things, and so he dropped.
That’s possible. I believe the recent meta has been really skewed toward replacing being mafia-indicative, but he did state upfront that he had a lot of other commitments and I didn’t see any reason to doubt that.
Speaking of that, that builds on something I was wondering. Is this surprise at posting in the forum at night potentially indicative of anything? I recall it being mentioned that scumchat is discord based?

Also, out of curiosity, why would replacing be mafia-indicative? Someone withdrawing because they think they’ve been correctly scumread?
The surprise might be indicative, I’m not sure. I think both town and mafia would feel an expectation to be active during night phases and would consequently have an “oh shit” realization if, say, the player had taken on a lot of out-of-game responsibilities believing he would have more time “off” of this game than he really does. So I don’t really know if it cuts in any direction, but I haven’t thought about it much. What do you reckon it might be?

As for why it’s mafia-indicative, that’s simply an empirical statement about our recent meta and not the result of deductive reasoning. I for one don’t think it has to be mafia-indicative at all and have been somewhat hesitant to get on board with acting on this meta-knowledge. But at least this calendar year, my recollection is that a majority of substituted slots were mafia slots, which is conservatively twice as frequently as expected by random chance.
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2229 Post by snowy801 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:04 am

#swingallsubs
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#2230 Post by President Eden » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:05 am

snowy801 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:01 am
I blame Eden personally
This is the objectively correct answer, we have night talk here because my main mafia community in mid-2014 allowed night talk, so I ported that over, and it just kind of stuck. It’s cool that we have a unique wrinkle in the larger mafia Internet space, but I’m not sure it’s really optimal practice. It’s definitely not standard across the Internet though lol.
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#2231 Post by President Eden » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:05 am

snowy801 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:04 am
#swingallsubs
https://i.imgur.com/YAGpXPd.png
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2232 Post by snowy801 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:08 am

If you squint real hard you'll realize I was with you guys all along

I think Byz is a sub though why didn't you kill that dude
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#2233 Post by President Eden » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:09 am

snowy801 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:08 am
If you squint real hard you’ll realize I was with you guys all along

I think Byz is a sub though why didn’t you kill that dude
motherfucker I tried

my day 1 impotence continues pepeHands
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2234 Post by snowy801 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:10 am

Unlucky
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2235 Post by Rumi Tobari » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:11 am

President Eden wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:03 am
Rumi Tobari wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:56 pm
President Eden wrote:
Wed Aug 17, 2022 11:54 pm

That’s possible. I believe the recent meta has been really skewed toward replacing being mafia-indicative, but he did state upfront that he had a lot of other commitments and I didn’t see any reason to doubt that.
Speaking of that, that builds on something I was wondering. Is this surprise at posting in the forum at night potentially indicative of anything? I recall it being mentioned that scumchat is discord based?

Also, out of curiosity, why would replacing be mafia-indicative? Someone withdrawing because they think they’ve been correctly scumread?
The surprise might be indicative, I’m not sure. I think both town and mafia would feel an expectation to be active during night phases and would consequently have an “oh shit” realization if, say, the player had taken on a lot of out-of-game responsibilities believing he would have more time “off” of this game than he really does. So I don’t really know if it cuts in any direction, but I haven’t thought about it much. What do you reckon it might be?

As for why it’s mafia-indicative, that’s simply an empirical statement about our recent meta and not the result of deductive reasoning. I for one don’t think it has to be mafia-indicative at all and have been somewhat hesitant to get on board with acting on this meta-knowledge. But at least this calendar year, my recollection is that a majority of substituted slots were mafia slots, which is conservatively twice as frequently as expected by random chance.
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2236 Post by Rumi Tobari » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:12 am

it ate my reasoning x.x
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#2237 Post by snowy801 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:13 am

Eden where's your discord server
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2238 Post by President Eden » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:14 am

snowy801 wrote:
Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:13 am
Eden where’s your discord server
it died months ago, we finally put it out to pasture about 6 weeks ago or so
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2239 Post by Rumi Tobari » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:15 am

Okay. What I was saying was.

(cue Danganronpa explanation theme)

If Byz was scum, and expecting only to be in scumchat at night, then being told night posting was a thing could have thrown him for a loop. His time-inability (or expectations to forum post combined with the wagon on him before the end of day 1, he might have panicked and worried that his absence would be AI.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it permissible for a non-role townie to be largely absent for the night phase? Couldn't he have just said "I don't have time to post in the night phase becauuse RL, I'll see you at the next daytime"?

But he didn't.
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Re: MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

#2240 Post by snowy801 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:15 am

Sadge

There goes 80% of my plan
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