MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[snowy801]

How is it metagaming? I'm confused

You imply that they would deliberately act against their interests with their friendship in mind

Honestly you insult both by even suggesting this

I didn't say that.

I said Bona will always find eden town and will hard shield him.

Go through Bona and Eden games. How many times has Bona genuinely scumreads eden?

And was Eden ever scum?

[BesharamSabi]

Eden you broke your post

[BesharamSabi]

You imply that they would deliberately act against their interests with their friendship in mind

Honestly you insult both by even suggesting this

I didn't say that.

I said Bona will always find eden town and will hard shield him.

Go through Bona and Eden games. How many times has Bona genuinely scumreads eden?

And was Eden ever scum?

Eden said he hasn't rand scum since 2018. Bona joined 2020 iirc

[ghug]

I didn't say that.

I said Bona will always find eden town and will hard shield him.

Go through Bona and Eden games. How many times has Bona genuinely scumreads eden?

And was Eden ever scum?

Eden said he hasn't rand scum since 2018. Bona joined 2020 iirc

Therefore?

[BesharamSabi]

I just only see a town eden scumreading Bona.

Sorry If I'm wrong

Glglgl

[snowy801]

Then once again I don't see how your "check your past games" argument is relevant

I'm going to move on because this conversation isn't worth having except to note that you do them injustice with your position

[BesharamSabi]

And was Eden ever scum?

Eden said he hasn't rand scum since 2018. Bona joined 2020 iirc

Therefore?

Just because he has randed town every game doesn't mean he is not free from being scum read.

[BesharamSabi]

I'm just better off going back to being uwu what's mafia uwu again aren't I

[snowy801]

I'm just better off going back to being uwu what's mafia uwu again aren't I

That's what you're doing right now

Someone else explain this I can't

[BesharamSabi]

Can someone explain why scum eden would turn on Bona since apparently my logic is bad.

In both a town Bona and scum Bona world.

[snowy801]

Also not to be stuck in the past except I am but I'm kinda digging Jamiet

[BesharamSabi]

I'm just better off going back to being uwu what's mafia uwu again aren't I

That's what you're doing right now

Someone else explain this I can't

I'm not at all. Please don't insult me and my growth. I'm trying to take a nuance stance on this and trying to see what makes sense.

It does not make sense for scum eden to do this play since it's suboptimal and has way more risk than reward.

[BesharamSabi]

Eden is unfortunately just town.

[President Eden]

I’m having a tough time explaining why I think Sabi’s arguments make sense without blatantly looking like a self-serving weasel, so I just wanted it noted that Sabi’s arguments make sense to me. Thought they should know it at least

[BesharamSabi]

I’m having a tough time explaining why I think Sabi’s arguments make sense without blatantly looking like a self-serving weasel, so I just wanted it noted that Sabi’s arguments make sense to me. Thought they should know it at least

Thanks I feel less crazy.

I was about to go back to being worried about my skillset

[rdrivera2005]

I still have a lot of pages to read.

Bona is a good wagon. Eden and Snowy are bad wagons.

##vote Celaph

[Rumi Tobari]

w is wolf, y'all.

Sabi, can you elaborate on your logic here? What's special about bona?

Bona is someone that would hard shield eden, which he has done in every game. Why would you hit the hornet nest? Why would scum eden attack his security.

It's also not optimal play of Bona was also mafia. There's no reason for him to bus Bona like that.

You know. This is literally the kind of thing I was accusing Sabi of with Neon. (and this is not an attempt to dredge that back up, but it is context on why I'm getting into this one) Because of that.

I want to know more about this.

This whole Bona always shields Eden thing.

Like I'm sorry, maybe I'm heartless. It doesn't matter how good of friends someone is with me, or how long I've known them, or how well I think I know them. But anyone could be scum. That in mind, prior friendship is not an excuse to shield for anyone. In any context.

In a w!Eden world I could see him trying to pocket and hard shielding a newbie like Rumi.

Related: me being new and having no fucking idea what I'm doing is not a valid reason to shield me. You're guilty of this too Sabi, you were doing it to Byz and Neon, you didn't want either of them voted out on D1. I don't find that logical reasoning.

If anything, you both should be more suspicious of friends and newbies, becuase those are the people who can slip under your radar. Chaqa is not only justified, but right to continue suspecting me. (and maybe its unoptimal play since I'm widely townread by nearly everyone, but knowing someone has the wherewithal to be doubtful of everything I say makes me feel we have a chance of beating scum)

Jamie absolutely had the right idea calling me out and telling me I need to stop acting the way I do, I need to grow the fuck up and learn some self-control because my emotional disorders make me weak. Neon was absolutely in the wrong for calling Jamie's response to me toxic. If anything, she should have acknowledged he was right. In part because shit like calling eachother toxic divides the group.

And speaking of dividing the group, there's something else I'd like to bring up.

But this whole issue means a lot to me because I think a lot of people don’t try nearly hard enough to bridge the gap with their teammates

Scum killed him for a reason they deemed important - wether that's a PR hint, lock reads in, or remove a calming influence.

Also given that four of us (myself, Neon, Sabi, and Eden) have engaged in vast back and forth arguments with eachother, I believe that that removing a mediator is exactly the reason drag was killed. Nothing in drag's posts read to me as PR-indicative when I went over them.

From my perspective, none of the things I just caught up in reading seemed productive or an attempt to solve this. Maybe I just have no fucking idea idea of what productive solving looks like.
(refraining from taking things personally)
(if that can't be accomplished, ignoring the things that are perceived to be personal attacks)
(solving the mystery > proving a point)
(answering questions and criticism of our actions with things that are validly disprove them and admitting honestly that we don't have verifiable facts to refute when we're unable to)

I will admit I have not conformed to this standard of productivity myself, but this kind of thing is, if I have to give Eden, Neon, Sabi, and myself the benefit of the doubt, what makes us invaluable to scum. (but arguably, I think that all four of us should be considered suspicious)

We like to argue. We like to prove a point. We like to take things personally. In the case of Neon, there's valid mental health reasons to act this way. (but not myself, mental disability is NOT a valid excuse for my behavior. I deeply apologize for my behavior, I cannot control it, and it makes me ineffective)

Moving forward, difficulties with deescalating and disengaging to focus on more productive (and again, I think it might just be htat I don't know what is considered productive) lines of dialog that make our continued presence beneficial to scum.

case in point: I'm now far more willing to vote Eden then I was in day 1. If Eden is town, well fuck, this is totally what scum wants, us to do their job for them. If Eden is scum, then he longer has me pocketed and should be worried. (that said, this doesn't change status quo with me, because I've said multiple times I find Eden helpful, not necessarily innocent)

[Jamiet99uk]

Big time yikes...

Talk to me.

Yikes why?

Rumi's constant crybaby posts need to stop.

I mean I just got done bearing my soul to them in an attempt to help with the things I often feel myself.

Encouraging and understanding is pretty cool.

That was just hella toxic.

I don't think it's toxic at all.

It's tough love.

I want Rumi to participate and enjoy the game.

The constant crying is not good for anyone - including Rumi.

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh and if I'm understanding the tag mechanic right I think I should have the tag from the florist since they visited me right?

Also someone answer this

Not necessarily. Bus Driver in play.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE PRINCESS NEON

She knows.

I truly love when people imply they have a smoking gun on me and than leave without explaining it. It's my favorite mafia past time.

Passtime.