MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[Bonatogether]

I am growing concerned that this HB wagon is most likely a miskill and we’re approaching the situation where we are running out of time faster than we think.

Lets say HB is a miskill. Lets talk about who we DK instead of HB.

I'd like to point out I was lightly townreading Snowy for a whole day despite that I was kind of scumreading Byz. So I need to be convinced.

Honestly, I am the most suspicious of Bona simply because I read what he is posting and get the sense he knows more than he should. There is too much confidence in what he is saying and not enough self-doubt.

Also, FWIW, I feel pretty confident we have a tie vote atm. Unless some BD shitshow has occured.

why would i hedge when i'm right

[worcej]

What do you townread in HB?

I still struggle to see why anyone scum reads HB now. Everything presented is a mechanical reason.

What did you think of my case? That he hasn't seemed to make an attempt to evaluate the people on his wagon in any meaningful way.

I don’t think town players should spend the time evaluating the wagon on them specifically and as someone who has had to sub into a slot that is scummed due to the previous owner, it’s not something you can defend against worth a damn.

[Bonatogether]

HB moving to Vecna strikes me more scummy than anything now

It sneakily makes the vote tied.

wild

[rdrivera2005]

And the bot says it's not tied.

[worcej]

Lets say HB is a miskill. Lets talk about who we DK instead of HB.

I'd like to point out I was lightly townreading Snowy for a whole day despite that I was kind of scumreading Byz. So I need to be convinced.

Honestly, I am the most suspicious of Bona simply because I read what he is posting and get the sense he knows more than he should. There is too much confidence in what he is saying and not enough self-doubt.

Also, FWIW, I feel pretty confident we have a tie vote atm. Unless some BD shitshow has occured.

why would i hedge when i'm right

I’m just answering the question that is being asked my dude.

[Bonatogether]

And the bot says it's not tied.

someone said that either ghug or vecna has the double vote - in which case, it is tied

[worcej]

And the bot says it's not tied.

Okay, so apparently people are lazy…

The only option for the double vote is Vecna or Ghug unless the BD moved it. Look at the wagons closer.

[President Eden]

Anyone with a brain by now should know the double vote is either ghug or Vecna.

Time for me to schedule a CAT scan

ghug, celaph, and Vecna have all been eligible double voters the whole time, as far as I can remember from when I feverishly Pepe Silvia’d this thing last night (only to learn that not knowing what the Doc did = big cramp on any actual findings). I would figure ghug at some point switched tags, owing to being scanned.

[President Eden]

Wait, sorry, Vecna lost eligibility D3, unless worcej had a vote D3. Because of worcej didn’t have a vote D3, then the double voter voted off snowy, and Vecna did not vote off snowy.

[worcej]

Anyone with a brain by now should know the double vote is either ghug or Vecna.

Time for me to schedule a CAT scan

ghug, celaph, and Vecna have all been eligible double voters the whole time, as far as I can remember from when I feverishly Pepe Silvia’d this thing last night (only to learn that not knowing what the Doc did = big cramp on any actual findings). I would figure ghug at some point switched tags, owing to being scanned.

I did miss that, but either way the movement to Vecna provides a 66% chance to tie the vote and scum comes out the best winner in that situation because they now definitely know where the double vote is to take it away.

[President Eden]

Anyone with a brain by now should know the double vote is either ghug or Vecna.

Time for me to schedule a CAT scan

ghug, celaph, and Vecna have all been eligible double voters the whole time, as far as I can remember from when I feverishly Pepe Silvia’d this thing last night (only to learn that not knowing what the Doc did = big cramp on any actual findings). I would figure ghug at some point switched tags, owing to being scanned.

I did miss that, but either way the movement to Vecna provides a 66% chance to tie the vote and scum comes out the best winner in that situation because they now definitely know where the double vote is to take it away.

Yea, I agree with the general premise of your post that we are alarmingly likely to be stealth-tied here, and probably need to put extra distance between 1st and 2nd to mitigate that.

[worcej]

Wait, sorry, Vecna lost eligibility D3, unless worcej had a vote D3. Because of worcej didn’t have a vote D3, then the double voter voted off snowy, and Vecna did not vote off snowy.

Guess I am the lazy one lol…

I didn’t notice Vecna missed his vote in the wave of hammers

[worcej]

Actually makes HB look even worse now

[Bonatogether]

if worcej has had the no vote moved off him as i think it has been, we have 0 idea what wagon is actually in first

[rdrivera2005]

Time for me to schedule a CAT scan

ghug, celaph, and Vecna have all been eligible double voters the whole time, as far as I can remember from when I feverishly Pepe Silvia’d this thing last night (only to learn that not knowing what the Doc did = big cramp on any actual findings). I would figure ghug at some point switched tags, owing to being scanned.

I did miss that, but either way the movement to Vecna provides a 66% chance to tie the vote and scum comes out the best winner in that situation because they now definitely know where the double vote is to take it away.

Yea, I agree with the general premise of your post that we are alarmingly likely to be stealth-tied here, and probably need to put extra distance between 1st and 2nd to mitigate that.

I can vote HB if this is consensus, but please make Vecna the second wagon. I have a feeling that if HB is scum he have a decent shot at having the Bomb.

[celaph]

ghug is mechanically town

Not 100% true

There are two ways that ghug could not be town.
1) Jamie didn't scan ghug. As the scan response includes the name of the person you scan, this is basically just saying that Jamie lied. I trust Jamie enough to know that lying in such a way would be incredibly stupid.
2) ghug had the inno tag. If he did then Jamie picked up the tag when he scanned ghug. But if Jamie had the inno tag, then there is no way to get it to Snowy as the bus driver had already acted. So this isn't an option mechanically.

Am I missing something?

[Bonatogether]

@worcej apologies if you've already said this and i've forgot - who would you vote for right now, if you weren't on your vanity wagon?

[ghug]

Anyone with a brain by now should know the double vote is either ghug or Vecna.

Time for me to schedule a CAT scan

ghug, celaph, and Vecna have all been eligible double voters the whole time, as far as I can remember from when I feverishly Pepe Silvia’d this thing last night (only to learn that not knowing what the Doc did = big cramp on any actual findings). I would figure ghug at some point switched tags, owing to being scanned.

But Jamie could have had it originally, no?

[Hamilton Brian]

Popped this up in line to get burritos. Did I tie it up? I didn’t think so. I thought 2xVote was celaph or ghug. Correct me otherwise.

[DemonRHK]

GM VOTE COUNT DAY FOUR THE FIFTH
(Hand count, through post 5938)

Hamilton Brian(4): Bonatogether*, Rumi Tobari, celaph, President Eden
Vecna(3): rdrivera2005, Vecna, Hamilton Brian
rdrivera2005(3): bo_xox48, Chaqa*, ghug
worcej(1): worcej

Currently, HAMILTON BRIAN is set to be RETCONNED!

52 minutes remain in Day 4.