MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

Answer in orange

I resent this assessment of myself

But am I wrong

IMHO, yes you are wrong and.

Neon only became a 'light' when she reacted so adamantly against my question and really wasn't attacked at all.

[worcej]

I do reads list but people mocked it because I said vibes even tho the gist is that it was a reads list but I wasn't confident in alignment for people that I felt weren't towny.

I just don't know how to put my thoughts in posts sometimes. I spit out my thoughts in posts and people just ignore me per usual

Again, FWIW, it's due to volume of posts that I miss your comments. Hard to keep track of them when you post over 100+ times a phase.

I apologize. Atleast more of my post are content related and not shitposts

No need to apologize, but if I ask you specific questions please actually respond to it or link the read instead of saying 'I already said this'.

[worcej]

Upon reflection, worcej claiming he dropped the "Neon won't tell me how many games she's played" complaint while continuing to vote for her makes him basically confirmed town.

On beer 3, please explain if this is due to my 'always wrong take' position.

[worcej]

Is it true that you have never seen Sabi try to read me based on vibes before this game? (ie from reading past games of ours)

I think you are misreading my intent but yes

I haven’t said anything about your intent.

I ask because, as I am sure several people will vouch—at the very least they can vouch—Sabi susses me for “vibes” at some point in almost every social deduction game we have ever played. Sabi’s done it in every mafia game we’ve played. I’ve literally been town every time. Sabi’s done it in the vast majority of Among Us games we played back when we had a regular group for that. Just through sheer volume Sabi got some of those right, but their track record was not particularly outstanding. When you call it every single time, or close to it, you’ll get some right through sheer happenstance, but that doesn’t inspire confidence in your predictive power.

I don’t discount the value of intuition in a general sense, I use it myself all the time (although I try my best to couch my pushes in more objective data for persuasion’s sake). I don’t even discount the value of Sabi’s intuition with mafia players generally. I have no real reason to doubt that Sabi has done well elsewhere with this style.

I do specifically discount the value of Sabi’s intuition regarding me, because Sabi has been wrong about these reads with me in the vast majority of cases, and I happen to know Sabi is wrong this time, too.

Will vouch that Sabi has always vibed you.

[worcej]

Ghug always scumreads me.
Worcej, since he stopped being my friend, always attacks me at every opportunity.

Neither of these things is helpful play.

Uhh... I never stopped being your friend Jamie...

Unless you're referring to Facebook, and that's because I deactivated my account.

[ghug]

Also I'm like not sure if you're missing my opinions or what, but I've been making reads this whole time. I'm pretty confident that Sabi, Vecna, and you are town, and that gin Rumi is scum.

Why do you think he's fabricating a read on you if he's town?

[worcej]

Idk I feel like celaph is town this game. I feel like he's been too utr for my liking but it's whatever.

*cue him being MIA during night one and get limmed day two and flips mafia*

UTR = Under the Radar?

[worcej]

Idk I feel like celaph is town this game. I feel like he's been too utr for my liking but it's whatever.

*cue him being MIA during night one and get limmed day two and flips mafia*

UTR = under the radar

Should read more before posting...

[President Eden]

Normally I would and I appreciate what you and Bona are doing with this angle. This game was just pushing too much for my workload, I blame Sabi. I’m trying to level with you here to cut to what hoping to get in the time I have (I’m already on my phone with a guest at my place, like a mongrel).

But making the best of it, what I think I’m really looking for is some stuff in this game that doesn’t rely on meta. Meta is a powerful tool, but one I can’t rely on. A specific quote or two as to how they are “going with the flow”. If you have those prepared, I’ll take them. Otherwise, I can spend most of my time ISOing, but I won’t be done with that for a while.

I’ll be honest, most of my reads on most people here are going to be meta-driven because I’ve known a lot of these people for forever. Stripping away meta context you shouldn’t be particularly moved by my read on Chaqa bc he’s not abnormal relative to the rest of the thread, only relative to what I’ve seen of past town play.

now enjoy your guest, we can catch up later, we’re not killing each other d1

Eden time to make current game related reads since there’s new people

I’ve made plenty. But I guess an update is in order since some of the absentees arrived. List is sorted within ranks by signup order, no significance to order within a rank.

Solid Town: Rumi, Bona
Satisfactory D1: worcej, damo, rivera, Sabi, Neon, Byz, Vecna
Still Not Here: bo
Here, But I’m Not Sure: pyxxy
Killable: darg, ghug, Jamie, Chaqa, celaph

I’m less inclined to get after celaph than I was in our last game together, because it did appear to me that celaph genuinely wasn’t around to start the game. But I think I’m seeing more of the in-the-background, surface-level analytics that I saw in past mafia games. Less inclined to pursue it this time around because I’m pretty confident he actually showed up ~20 pages late, so he may just be catching up. That said, he’s clearly in killable to me.

Somewhere in my arguing with Sabi, I caught myself typing “Frankly, it’s like you can’t even understand why I might think you’re suspicious here,” which made me realize Sabi is probably just town. And ever since the more heated discussion earlier in the day, Sabi’s inquiries and insights have markedly improved in my eyes and definitely reflect the growth they alleged occurred since their last game here. So I’m down with a D1 pass and generally feeling alright about Sabi.

Vecna’s looked solid in limited time. He’s been out for quite a while and probably busy during this game so far, but what he’s shown seems all good.

I don’t think pyxxy has earned a D1 pass yet, but I found myself wanting to put pyx there because his posts have seemed alright.

Killing bo is a massive cop-out and also means no snowy sub, so that option is a huge no-go for me.

[ghug]

Upon reflection, worcej claiming he dropped the "Neon won't tell me how many games she's played" complaint while continuing to vote for her makes him basically confirmed town.

On beer 3, please explain if this is due to my 'always wrong take' position.

I mean kind of? It shows you're reading emotionally and not analytically.

[worcej]

Wasn’t worcej mafia that game?

ISTHISASCUMSLIP???????

the slippiest slip to ever slip

which is to say yes worcej was mafia, and we didn't kill him for literally 7 days
https://mafia.peterlund.se/m73/game_status.html

maybe the strategy doesn't work as town, I'll let you know how it goes

I think we found a bigger oooof

[worcej]

Upon reflection, worcej claiming he dropped the "Neon won't tell me how many games she's played" complaint while continuing to vote for her makes him basically confirmed town.

On beer 3, please explain if this is due to my 'always wrong take' position.

I mean kind of? It shows you're reading emotionally and not analytically.

Explain why emotionally reading versus analytically reading makes me more likely to be town.

Is this a me specific thing?

[Chaqa]

Also I'm like not sure if you're missing my opinions or what, but I've been making reads this whole time. I'm pretty confident that Sabi, Vecna, and you are town, and that gin Rumi is scum.

Why do you think eden is shading you

I think he's just trying to prod me to do more.

[worcej]

People who are involved:
BesharamSabi
Bonatogether
Chaqa
ghug
Jamiet99uk
President Eden
Princess Neon
Rumi Tobari
worcej

People who are kinda involved
Byz
celaph
damo666
dargorygel
pyxxy
rdrivera2005
Vecna

Peopln't
bo_sox48

Conclusion:
decent participation so far

I like this list surprisingly.

[President Eden]

People who are involved:
BesharamSabi
Bonatogether
Chaqa
ghug
Jamiet99uk
President Eden
Princess Neon
Rumi Tobari
worcej

People who are kinda involved
Byz
celaph
damo666
dargorygel
pyxxy
rdrivera2005
Vecna

Peopln’t
bo_sox48

Conclusion:
decent participation so far

I like this list surprisingly.

I mean it’s just a list of relative participation lol…

[ghug]

On beer 3, please explain if this is due to my 'always wrong take' position.

I mean kind of? It shows you're reading emotionally and not analytically.

Explain why emotionally reading versus analytically reading makes me more likely to be town.

Is this a me specific thing?

It's not you-specific, but you're definitely more blatant about it than most. Scum is worried about fabricating views on the game that look good and achieve desired outcomes (at this point that's basically just killing town indiscriminately). Town is trying to solve the game and is prone to vibes and hunches and OMGUS and various cognitive biases, because they're actually generating the reads organically and presenting them to us.

[Chaqa]

I can't say anyone is striking me as particularly scummy yet, which leads me to believe the scum are in the low-posters. Bo may be an unironically good wagon.

I still think gin Rumi's slip was real but it's not set in stone.

Jamie maybe.

[ghug]

I can't say anyone is striking me as particularly scummy yet, which leads me to believe the scum are in the low-posters. Bo may be an unironically good wagon.

I still think gin Rumi's slip was real but it's not set in stone.

Jamie maybe.

You think Rumi scumslipped?

[worcej]

This discussion with ghug has me looking at Jamie old scum games to verify if he has ever once played mafia as a power wolf.

I also can't find a link to explain what a power wolf is for rumi.

I've seen Jamie be a wolf as scum.

I'm not good at distinguishing the difference of the word power in the phrase.

[Chaqa]

I can't say anyone is striking me as particularly scummy yet, which leads me to believe the scum are in the low-posters. Bo may be an unironically good wagon.

I still think gin Rumi's slip was real but it's not set in stone.

Jamie maybe.

You think Rumi scumslipped?

Yeah, awhile back something like "if i was town" type thing