MINI MAFIA 1022 - Big Trouble in Little Genua - Game Thread [Hidden]

[worcej]

I don't think we have two miskills unless we count on our PRs which is too risky.

Brad has 6 messages all game long, this is a big problem.

@Call GM - Have you considered subbing Brad for inactivity?

GM NOTE

Brad met the posting requirements D1 and (barely) met them on D2.

I have sent him a nudge.

I know I probably shouldn’t say this. But I town read Brad based on this GM comment.

I would never read into these things - as a GM, I've nudged every type of role.

[worcej]

I also town read rdriveria. Why would scum!rdriveria want GM to consider subbing out Town!Brad? Makes no sense.

I don't understand this thought progression because rdr does not come off as a hyper competitive player, which is the type of person I would think that he would need to be for this to apply.

[worcej]

So my current thinking is Brad is town because of GM note (Lurking whilst scum doesn’t require a nudge). Rdriveria is town because scum!rdriveria has no incentive to ask GM to sub out Brad.

I think it’s unlikely deathllama AND WorceJ are a scum team based on their D2 votes. If they were both scum they were never under threat but ended up on same wagon. Scum team Deathllama and WorceJ would just have allowed town to miskill anyone. So both Deathllama and WorceJ get a pass for today. I’m aware this read only makes sense from my town perspective.

Which leaves Kak and Damo.

I’m very slightly town reading Kak. They had excuses in early for low posting so didn’t need to post his wall post knowing it could draw attention.

So by POE I’m left with ##vote Damo

A Your rdr and Brad assumptions are not tenable
B Assuming DL and W are not a scumpair still means one of them could be scum
C I'm town. I'm one of few players actually trying.

I agree with Damo here. We shouldn't read from GM answer, he should answer the same way no matter Brad's alignment. Also, my call to GM could be scum worried with a partner as Damo pointed.

And I think Damo changing his mind and vote this way is more on Damo's towns range then scum.

And I didn't like Maniac again forcing this arguments to justify a vote on Damo by POE.

##vote Maniac

I am also agreeing with damo/rdr here - however the progression by maniac is too poorly forced for me to default to scumming maniac at this second. I'm going to ponder further.

[worcej]

@Damo - I disagree.

Jamie said he nudged Brad with a full day of D3 remaining. I know Jamie wants all games to be busier and imagine he would get more frustrated with quiet townies in his own game than quiet mafia where lurking could definitely be regarded as good scum play. Once Jamie makes his statement, it can't go unsaid. I'm can't build a chinese wall in my mind to exclude that information. Therefore my town read of Brad is justified and everything that flows form it (Rdr town lean)

Again, poor tactics to assume anything like this about Jamie as a GM - he is so by the book and straight up that it's absolutely NAI that he nudged Brad.

Once i've town read Brad/Rdr, then I'm left with four players in two groups. DL and WorceJ and Damo/Kak.

As I think DL & WoreceJ can't be scumteam then the only combos are ScumDl/TownWorceJ; Scum!WorceJ/Town!DL or both town.

Whereas the Damo/Kak combos are Scum!Damo/Town!Kak; Scum!Kak/Town!Damo or BOTH Scum. I have to vote for someone from this group even though as Damo rightly points out DL or WorceJ could also be scum.

The 'problem' with my thinking is if we vote out Damo or Kak regardless of their alignment, it doesn't then help us find the scum D4. But that's for another day.

Can I ask you why you're focusing on finding the second scum before we've even found the first?

[Jamiet99uk]

##askGM would the doc, roleblocker and framer get an information (PM, discord) about their action? Would their target get one? Is it dependent on a variable/factor (saving from nk, blocked from action, ...) or would they get always get an information?

##askGM 2 - can the doc save someone from death from multiple sources or does it count only for one?

GM NOTES:

1. No to the first part, and yes to the second. That is, the Doc, Roleblocker, and Framer do not get informed about the result of their action, BUT someone who is roleblocked is notified of this.

2. Yes. If the Doctor successfully visits a person, they are saved from all sources of death that happened to them that night.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 3.3

damo666 (2) - DeathLlama8, Maniac
Kakarroto (1) - worcej
DeathLlama8 (1) - damo666
Maniac (1) - rdrivera2005
BradLand (1) - Kakarroto

Currently it's DAMO who's set to be set.

Bradland still needs to participate, and to vote.

A little under six hours is the time left.

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

CHAQA is replacing BRADLAND.
Chaqa has replaced Bradland.

Thanks Chaqa for stepping in.

[Chaqa]

Getting caught up. My initial read of the game based off votes alone is that we should be suspicious of Kak, Maniac, and worcej.

I think Damo is probably town.

More to come.

[Chaqa]

For now ##Vote Maniac

[rdrivera2005]

A Your rdr and Brad assumptions are not tenable
B Assuming DL and W are not a scumpair still means one of them could be scum
C I'm town. I'm one of few players actually trying.

I agree with Damo here. We shouldn't read from GM answer, he should answer the same way no matter Brad's alignment. Also, my call to GM could be scum worried with a partner as Damo pointed.

And I think Damo changing his mind and vote this way is more on Damo's towns range then scum.

And I didn't like Maniac again forcing this arguments to justify a vote on Damo by POE.

##vote Maniac

I am also agreeing with damo/rdr here - however the progression by maniac is too poorly forced for me to default to scumming maniac at this second. I'm going to ponder further.

Do you think this progession from Maniac was too poorly thought to be a scum play?

Also, do you think scum Kak keeps pushing those walls of text? I think it would be a huge effort to fake that kind of thought flow (can't find a better expression).

[Jamiet99uk]

Again for the bot:

CHAQA IS REPLACING BRADLAND
CHAQA HAS REPLACED BRADLAND

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 3.4

damo666 (2) - DeathLlama8, Maniac
Maniac (2) - rdrivera2005, Chaqa
Kakarroto (1) - worcej
DeathLlama8 (1) - damo666
Chaqa (1) - Kakarroto

Currently the vote is TIED.

5.6 hours remaining.

[Chaqa]

##Vote Maniac for the bot

[Chaqa]

Who's ready to fuck up bona and damo?

Ghug died for this post.

##Vote bona

[Jamiet99uk]

Who's ready to fuck up bona and damo?

Ghug died for this post.

##Vote bona

INV

[DeathLlama8]

Who's ready to fuck up bona and damo?

Ghug died for this post.

##Vote bona

INV

get inved

[DeathLlama8]

and yeah agreed that that last maniac post felt pretty forced - I also don't get why teammates are inherently less likely to be on the same wagon D2?

[DeathLlama8]

Getting caught up. My initial read of the game based off votes alone is that we should be suspicious of Kak, Maniac, and worcej.

I think Damo is probably town.

More to come.

why do you townread damo?

[worcej]

I agree with Damo here. We shouldn't read from GM answer, he should answer the same way no matter Brad's alignment. Also, my call to GM could be scum worried with a partner as Damo pointed.

And I think Damo changing his mind and vote this way is more on Damo's towns range then scum.

And I didn't like Maniac again forcing this arguments to justify a vote on Damo by POE.

##vote Maniac

I am also agreeing with damo/rdr here - however the progression by maniac is too poorly forced for me to default to scumming maniac at this second. I'm going to ponder further.

Do you think this progession from Maniac was too poorly thought to be a scum play?

Also, do you think scum Kak keeps pushing those walls of text? I think it would be a huge effort to fake that kind of thought flow (can't find a better expression).

Yeah, pondering it more I find it pretty rough and too poor to be a fake read. I don’t think scum maniac would say that.

In regards to Kak, remember when he subbed in as scum that he made relatively long posts? I don’t think post length is AI for him, however the content is pretty decent and I am good with the most recent post.

Doing another reread of damo, and I am more suspect of him. Chaqa blindly coming in and saying he think he is town has me more concerned too that a damo/brad team could’ve been it the entire time.

##vote damo

[worcej]

NK progression follows what I believe Damo would do by himself also.