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ghug wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:30 pm

xorx, you want to lynch over a nametag? Shouldn't you understand the informational value of an actual lynch? Shouldn't you have something resembling actual reads at this point in the game.

Are you serious? I posted my EON reads, where are your reads?

And yeah, lynching over a nametag may not be a good idea, I was just thinking aloud because that zero vote may be a problem at the endgame. But by the same token neither is you and Fox voting together just to hide the nametag a good idea. Same principle, if one of you is scum it allows you to just vote for a mechanics reason.

My day two was completely empty because I was very drunk all weekend. You were around, at least at one point towards the beginning (well before any claiming), but you weren't interested in doing any scumhunting.

I wasn't around until now. I went to bed with a weird gunshot to process, woke up to some weird fake copclaim that turned out to not be fake, and I had to rush to work. I might even have missed the vote entirely if I hadn't checked the thread during my lunch-break.

agh can we end night early too

i'm getting scum xorxes vibes, always on the defensive

ghug wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:17 pm

OK, so either me or Fox is Daniel.

Fox, I think it is prudent for us to try to end up on the same person unless it actually matters to the lynch. Might keep mafia scared to target either of us (unless you're scum, in which case I imagine you've peeked already. Jerk.).

I agree with this.

@Durga, have you read the setup at all? I can't tell if you're really that clueless about it or if you're playing it up.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:59 pm

And yeah, lynching over a nametag may not be a good idea, I was just thinking aloud because that zero vote may be a problem at the endgame. But by the same token neither is you and Fox voting together just to hide the nametag a good idea. Same principle, if one of you is scum it allows you to just vote for a mechanics reason.

Which is why there's an added caveat of only if it doesn't matter. If we're in a position where we disagree and whichever one of us has it decides the lynch, then we don't vote together. If we won't make a difference, we make sure we don't let the mafia know which one of us they can visit safely.

bo_sox48 wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:32 pm

Why don't you interrogate someone that we don't already know is scum since you're almost certainly town, reedeer?

Do you think reedeer is town just because he admitted to being GUAK, or is there something else?

@reedeer, do you scumread anyone else besides me?

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:08 am

@rdrivera: I think Vecna was NKed because he was a town clear, and I think snowy was shot because he was a strong player, and they agreed to shoot at the beginning of D2 just in case he was cop. The choice of Ezio as the glamour target could go either way. I would not expect the mafia to draw attention to a scum by making him the glamour target, but they might if Ezio was scum since he was a lynch target D1.

You really think snowy is such a strong player that they would kill him just for that, when he wasn't even very widely townread?

ghug wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:09 am

xorxes wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:59 pm

And yeah, lynching over a nametag may not be a good idea, I was just thinking aloud because that zero vote may be a problem at the endgame. But by the same token neither is you and Fox voting together just to hide the nametag a good idea. Same principle, if one of you is scum it allows you to just vote for a mechanics reason.

Which is why there's an added caveat of only if it doesn't matter. If we're in a position where we disagree and whichever one of us has it decides the lynch, then we don't vote together. If we won't make a difference, we make sure we don't let the mafia know which one of us they can visit safely.

But won't the scum just let the other lead and say they agree with whatever the townie decides (unless you're both scum I guess)

@ghug and Fox, do you two have the same scumreads?

@fox do you scumread xorxes?

@xorxes: Yes, that is why we NKed snowy N1 in M34.

I certainly think Brainbomb has a lot of respect for Snowy. I could definitely see him pushing for a shot on Snowy

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:30 am

@xorxes: Yes, that is why we NKed snowy N1 in M34.

who was "we"?

@xorxes: Balki, bo_sox, Rjmcf, and me.

thamrick wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:37 am

I certainly think Brainbomb has a lot of respect for Snowy. I could definitely see him pushing for a shot on Snowy

Yeah, but nobody was townreading him. Why not shoot ghug or Durga that are also strong players and are being more widely townread?

ghug wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:27 am

@fox do you scumread xorxes?

I'm trying to find where Xorxes has done some serious scum hunting. Also, I note that Xorxes pegged Jamiet, Durga, and Vecna as scum in some of his few reads. Is it just bad guesses form a townie, or is it bad luck that two of scum-Xorxes's three reads turned up clear so quickly? (So, if Xorxes flips scum, maybe Durga should go next...)

Was Brainbomb bussing when he showed up and mentioned Xorxes (and nesdunk)? Xorxes got defensive pretty quickly ("please don't start tunneling") based on one baseless read that Brainbomb stated once on p.20 and reiterated on p.22 without any of his usual BB flair... (That would probably imply that Thamrick is not scum, since I'm skeptical that two scum would pile on like that, and I recall that Thamrick sheeped BB a bit in the last game.)

Xorxes got onto Jamiet late, coming off of Reedeer where he was the only vote. Which doesn't actually say much one way or the other. If he's scum, he was cementing a town lynch. If he's town, he was putting some space between a potential tie if the HR/DD name tags ended up somewhere inconvenient.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:43 am

thamrick wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:37 am

I certainly think Brainbomb has a lot of respect for Snowy. I could definitely see him pushing for a shot on Snowy

Yeah, but nobody was townreading him. Why not shoot ghug or Durga that are also strong players and are being more widely townread?

First off, this seems to presuppose that Durga and I are town, which is strange. Secondly it assumes that Durga and I are strong players, which is strange. Thirdly, brain went into the day seemingly intending to lynch me, so clearly he thought it was possible.

It's either a cop read or a weird wifom ploy (or both). I really don't think there's much to read into there.

Foxcastle wrote: ↑

Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:48 am

Also, I note that Xorxes pegged Jamiet, Durga, and Vecna as scum in some of his few reads.

One of them, never all three together. One had to be the Deputy. I thought it was Vecna, but because Durga and Jamiet were so sure that Vecna was lying, I thought one of them would be the real Deputy.