M73 - Fowl Play - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

POE from my perspective is: Blamp, rivera, flum, pyxxy

And now I am townreading Blamp.

The irony is pretty great

[brainbomb]

I have no interest in talking to you outside of any games. in fact lets just keep it purely about the game only moving forward.

we obviously have very clashing personalities and ive pointed out times where youve disregarded me professionally and personally so having a debate with you about how you see something is already going to be a failed effort because your personality doesnt allow for you to be wrong or to accept being wrong.

[brainbomb]

POE from my perspective is: Blamp, rivera, flum, pyxxy

And now I am townreading Blamp.

The irony is pretty great

and its a critical game losing mistake that you are doing so.

[Chaqa]

I have no interest in talking to you outside of any games. in fact lets just keep it purely about the game only moving forward.

we obviously have very clashing personalities and ive pointed out times where youve disregarded me professionally and personally so having a debate with you about how you see something is already going to be a failed effort because your personality doesnt allow for you to be wrong or to accept being wrong.

I take offense to that, but we can’t discuss it at the moment so it’s best left be I suppose.

[President Eden]

someone help me do a "thats" vs "that's" analysis on Blamp to determine if the GT messages are real or faked

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=D1-&g=73

well you can be lock town for even thinking of this TBH

[Chaqa]

POE from my perspective is: Blamp, rivera, flum, pyxxy

And now I am townreading Blamp.

The irony is pretty great

and its a critical game losing mistake that you are doing so.

Then we should have voted him out yesterday when I was all about it.

[President Eden]

someone help me do a "thats" vs "that's" analysis on Blamp to determine if the GT messages are real or faked

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=D1-&g=73

well you can be lock town for even thinking of this TBH

I unironically lock town pyxxy for this. Y’all can call it easy to fake or whatever, I don’t care, ain’t no new scumbo going back and looking at Lamp’s GT thoughts and thinking “I should try to spin this into faked sus behavior by examining… [checks notes] whether he used an apostrophe or not on a word.” No shot.

This guy is TOWN. Town af even. It doesn’t even matter what alignment Lamp is:
• If Lamp is mafia then mafia pyx is not going back and combing through his teammate’s fake GT message to find inconsistencies
• If Lamp is town then this is not the angle mafia pyx uses to attack a genuine submission as being faked

[pyxxy]

Sort of feels like pyxxy is taken aback by seeing Jamie include damo as a scumread but he doesnt say a whole lot about why. Scum kills damo the next night and janitors him so at the very least scum thinks damo is a PR. This feels like pyxxy using the mafias perspective on damo to ask why Jamie could possibly be thinking damo is scum in hopes that he can fish for more clarity on what makes damo a potential miskill or if there is some go both ways reasoning pyxxy can rely on that is something PR damo would do that maybe Jamie mistakenly sees as what Scum damo might do.

First, I'm believe in the theory that scum used Janitor because TFB was the second highest D2 wagon and likely to get DK'd on D3, so scum felt like they had to use it or risk losing it.

And I asked this:

Gonna bump my question for Jamie about how he arrived at these scum reads.

during D3. Damo is already dead, so in theory I would have to be hunting for a reason that Jamie believes Damo was a PR?

Anyway. I just thought it was pretty weird how Jamie just kept saying Damo's name over and over on D2 with barely a justification beyond "he's lurking, sort of" and "naked votes". It felt like some sub-conscious inception shit.

Here's a search for every time Damo posted "##VOTE":
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=D1-&g=73


I'm not quoting everything, just the ones I find interest.

This is D2 -33:02:

##vote demonRHK

~30 minutes later:

##vote demonRHK

Man, all these naked votes from Damo.

Nagl.

It's literally Damo's first vote at all, unless you count (what I consider to be) a joke vote from D1 -45:01 of "##vote karrotcake". This is weird from Jamie.

~2 hours later:

##vote celaph

##end

it's inevitable can we save 24 hours please?

Quickly followed by Jamie posting:

Shall we cut off Damo's head and see what's inside?

is this one of those games where damo is tired of being town so he wants to see what happens if he just helps scum as much as possible

Damo townslipped

Or did he?

Agreed. Damo is coretown.

On what basis?

D2 -11:47

##vote TheFlyingBoat

And then Damo ends on Celaph

##vote celaph

N2 -00:02

Scumreads: Maniac, Sabi, and someone out of Worcej, Bona, Damo.

Possibly also the Ghug slot.

My N1 scan was Maniac, who is guilty. Didn't expect Eden to cover for me quite that well.

If I die, kill every living thing on the surface of the Earth.

But then he takes 24 hours into D3 to post:

RIP Damo.

Surprising use of the Janitor. Slightly surprising kill in general unless there was something I missed.

And that's it. Literally 3 minutes later, immediately onto pushing for Maniac to die:

I've heard it's rather cold there.

I'd rather go to Maniac's funeral.

##Vote Maniac

Never does an analysis of Damo, mentions him literally one more time just to make a joke about "what if someone scanned Damo N2? haha", never thinks about why his scumread on Damo was wrong.

Read it all here:
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=D1-&g=73
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What if Damo died because he(?) was onto scum?

I thought it was like (PE?) someone said about the me "Flipper" thing being a soft cop slip that mafia picked up on.

What if it's much simpler than that? What if mafia saw Damo's voting record and figured the best expected value kill was to just murder someone who kept voting for scum?

So why has Jamie never explained his scum read on Damo, despite me asking about it multiple times?

This is the closest to an explanation that I can find and it's from early D1???

Damo - says he fell for bozo’s ruse and has contributed nothing so far. Hasn’t come under any pressure. I’d happily vote Damo.

Your observation about Damo is about right.

^Not to mention this is a post from Maniac, the person that Jamie then proceeded to turn on.

i just thought it was weird.
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Of course, we cannot sus Jamie if someone has an innocent scan on him.

Someone remind me if he's scanned innocent AFTER NIGHT ENDS. AFTER. NOT NOW.

[President Eden]

Chaqa and brain are town but please guys your in-game disagreement is between teammates and your out-of-game stuff needs to be hashed out later, out of the game.

[Chaqa]

Hmm.

Would scum!Jamie fake claim Cop on the hopes Maniac flipped Miller and a backup play of either retracting or saying Maniac was Flipper?

I don’t know. But if he did that it would be a wild play, and the fact we aren’t generally suspicious of him means it could work.

[President Eden]

None of the following lists are meant to imply a hierarchy of preferred kills or more important town teammates. You all work TOGETHER and you win this thing TOGETHER. Okay?

And if you’re town and in the second list, please understand that we are trying to find you from amongst this group and we want to find you. We’re not your enemy.

These are the people I need deciding where town goes from here to win the game.

bozotheclown
Chaqa
brainbomb
Bonatogether
pyxxy

These are the potential mafia remaining.

Jamiet99uk
Fluminator
worcej
rdrivera2005
DemonRHK
BusinessLamp

I have faith in our collective ability to do this. If you’re town you need to set aside all personal BS, all grievances that are unrelated to the game and frankly most that are. We win united or lose divided.

[Chaqa]

None of the following lists are meant to imply a hierarchy of preferred kills or more important town teammates. You all work TOGETHER and you win this thing TOGETHER. Okay?

And if you’re town and in the second list, please understand that we are trying to find you from amongst this group and we want to find you. We’re not your enemy.

These are the people I need deciding where town goes from here to win the game.

bozotheclown
Chaqa
brainbomb
Bonatogether
pyxxy

These are the potential mafia remaining.

Jamiet99uk
Fluminator
worcej
rdrivera2005
DemonRHK
BusinessLamp

I have faith in our collective ability to do this. If you’re town you need to set aside all personal BS, all grievances that are unrelated to the game and frankly most that are. We win united or lose divided.

Would the second list include the “blue” names of yore?

[Jamiet99uk]

fucking lmao

I've evolved into a different Pokemon this game.
Forget anything you knew about my old meta.

it’s too bad I know you’re not a singer with Nine Altars because I was so ready to call you Jigglyt for the rest of eternity

I am the bass player.

[President Eden]

None of the following lists are meant to imply a hierarchy of preferred kills or more important town teammates. You all work TOGETHER and you win this thing TOGETHER. Okay?

And if you’re town and in the second list, please understand that we are trying to find you from amongst this group and we want to find you. We’re not your enemy.

These are the people I need deciding where town goes from here to win the game.

bozotheclown
Chaqa
brainbomb
Bonatogether
pyxxy

These are the potential mafia remaining.

Jamiet99uk
Fluminator
worcej
rdrivera2005
DemonRHK
BusinessLamp

I have faith in our collective ability to do this. If you’re town you need to set aside all personal BS, all grievances that are unrelated to the game and frankly most that are. We win united or lose divided.

Would the second list include the “blue” names of yore?

Yes. I will post one more RGB close to EON that substantively reflects the above, unless something happens to change my mind.

[President Eden]

I've evolved into a different Pokemon this game.
Forget anything you knew about my old meta.

it’s too bad I know you’re not a singer with Nine Altars because I was so ready to call you Jigglyt for the rest of eternity

I am the bass player.

Your riffs fucking slap btw

[brainbomb]

chaqa what moved blamp into being off the poe

and please adhere to the following stipulation
you cant reference the easily fakeable messages to the god qt as evidence

[brainbomb]

also russell wilson to the broncos

RIP seattle

[brainbomb]

chaqa maybe this will explain my attitude yesterday best

we had yesterday to explore every theory and corner and it indulged a few peoples suspicions on sabi and now we can actually follow the POE that was prescribed from the get go

[worcej]

idk his paragraph on you is pretty charitable and resonated with me

maybe I’m being too soft, but maybe you’re seeing red a bit

You like him saying he was fascinated to see town implode when he was the driving force behind it?

That screams scummy to me. I don't know.

Maybe it's coupled with the unfounded personal insults he sent my way yesterday, but I find his entire revisionist history of Day 4 to be

so when advised not to continue discussing council drama youve decided its now a key peice of evidence. That I fabricated your behavior on the council to futher push you as a scumread, and that I would do this out of total malice and desire to destroy the entire mafia game.

Alright, well a council member is telling me that my reason for leaving the council is revisionist history, and then is using my said reason for leaving the council as a key peice of evidence to say that I am also now revising how the day went because I am scum and that it was all concocted out of evil purposes.

I guess since this goes against what dargorygel asked I am unable to discuss how you conduct yourself on the council or how it made me feel or how the council disfunctions in general. So I will just let you win this argument since youve decided to take it here

I feel compelled to eat popcorn suddenly…

[BusinessLamp]

business lamp: more than anything I just think blamp is only on a survival mode at this point. I am seeing critical breakdowns in the positive traits displayed earlier in the game. I think the messages to the god QT is not a substantive peice of evidence because for the most part scum is about doiing any shady underhanded perceptual thing to look town. The most striking moment of EOD4 is blamp offering up sabi like a tasty slab of meat for me to pursue almost as if he wants me to move my vote. This does somewhat incriminate RHK or Flum and yet I find it more likely to be blamp just feeding into my overall opinions on sabi.

Brain, I DID want you to move your vote! I had a sudden, strong town read on Flum and didn't want him to die, and felt especially bad about contributing to him getting eliminated as an innocent player his first day two games in a row. I know you were someone who had previously suspected Sabi, so you were the one I campaigned to alongside pyx and Demon. Was I pushing an objective? hell yeah! Trying to make Flum not die. No one has touched on my case for why Flum was town that I have posted. And if that's the reason you're so sure I'm scum, do you want me to provide examples of me doing the same exact thing last game??? I'm forceful at End of Day, I yell and shout, and try to call attention to what I want to happen. I tried to get TFB eliminated both day 1 and 2 last game (unsuccessfully lol). So yes, I was aware and wanting you to switch on Sabi. That was the point. But it wasn't scum-motivated, it was because I thought Flum was town for reasons I have since expanded upon. What are your thoughts on those reasons?