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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:12 pm
by Vecna
lockdown is finally lifted here, so ill take the wifey out for some dinner.
@Kgray - ill look a bit more in depth at that when I get back.
Fire some other questions at me so I can make myself look good people. Ill try to answer in a few hours.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:15 pm
by damo666
kgray wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:59 pm
damo666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:21 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:42 pm
I’m fine giving Vecna one more day as he asked.
If he doesn’t have something by then we can kill him
I'm OK with that PROVIDED THAT
If HR flips scum or Gold flips town we kill Vecna tomorrow OK?
If HR flips town we kill Gold tomorrow.
If Gold flips scum we kill Maniac tomorrow.
In fact
if HR scum then Vecna and if scum then Bona
if Gold town then Vecna and if scum then HR and if scum then Bona
if HR town then Gold and if scum then Maniac and if scum Bona
if Gold scum then Maniac and if scum then Bona
This is our path to victory. I think. Anyway, I think it's a good plan.
If we follow this plan and D5 is a mk (which I very much doubt) a rethink would be required.
Is this just POE or do you have reasons for the connections you're giving?
It follows the theory I previously laid with all the underlying assumptions. Nothing material has changed*.
To repeat
Remaining scum team is either
Bona HR Vecna
OR
Bona Gold Maniac
Obviously I would rather kill Bona but that doesn't seem an option so hence my vote for the likeliest of the other 4 to get chopped.
* I was kind of hoping for another RB quasi clear but I now realise that it can be inferred from your opening message that you were blocked again. Care to confirm?
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:15 pm
by Vecna
I will say though that HR doubling down and being stubborn in the face of people disagreeing with him is not something he doesnt do as town.
I think I cant even remember a game where HR was scum in the last few years.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:18 pm
by damo666
Vecna wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:15 pm
I will say though that HR doubling down and being stubborn in the face of people disagreeing with him is not something he doesnt do as town.
I think I cant even remember a game where HR was scum in the last few years.
Well then he's overdue!
[I know, I know. Don't quote fallacies at me.]
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:23 pm
by Hellenic Riot
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:49 pm
@HR: you gonna vote?
@Bona: can you make your vote count?
At some point. I don't think making it a straight blast of Me vs Goldie for the entire day would give that much info beside Goldie's flip, so I'm content to sit around and allow other avenues to be followed before pulling it back to that later.
I also don't really feel like Vecna is particularly scummy at this point - And I quite like a lot of what he's saying. I do however feel like Donny has coasted massively since being townread on D1, and would like to hear him explain his votes and reads and other such matters.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:24 pm
by rdrivera2005
kgray wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:01 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:13 pm
Kgray, can you explain this Rivera thing you're on?
You barely mentioned him as a scum possibility til a very abrupt N3 post, and now you seem fixated on him.
Barely mentioned? I made a whole case on him N1 that I backed off of, and since D1 Rivera and HR have been linked to me. The POE is getting smaller and it seems more and more possible that this is what's happening.
I'm not fixated on him in this game, I'm just annoyed with him for OOG reasons.
The posts she did about me at night weren't game related, but she have been scumreading me and questioning me since D1.
This lazy Chaqa is starting to give me some bad vibes.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:27 pm
by Hellenic Riot
I also think rivera explaining his thought processes today has been pretty good, and I'm feeling a lot more like he's town now as a result. But if Vecna & rivera are indeed both town, I'm very low on scumreads (I really struggle to imagine Bona-Damo as a team at all here; though I'm quite confident one of them is scum). So of the others who I haven't been scumreading, delving again into Donny in particular is something I think to be quite worthwhile.
So, ya'll - What do you think about him?
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:28 pm
by Hellenic Riot
The fact that TFB is still essentially only ever turning up to defend himself also bothers me greatly
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:33 pm
by Chaqa
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:24 pm
kgray wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:01 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:13 pm
Kgray, can you explain this Rivera thing you're on?
You barely mentioned him as a scum possibility til a very abrupt N3 post, and now you seem fixated on him.
Barely mentioned? I made a whole case on him N1 that I backed off of, and since D1 Rivera and HR have been linked to me. The POE is getting smaller and it seems more and more possible that this is what's happening.
I'm not fixated on him in this game, I'm just annoyed with him for OOG reasons.
The posts she did about me at night weren't game related, but she have been scumreading me and questioning me since D1.
This lazy Chaqa is starting to give me some bad vibes.
My mistake was doing my bot search wrong. I searched kgray mentioned rivera with the filter starting on Day 2, assuming anything from before then wouldn't be relevant.
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d2-&g=72
The push on you looks much more abrupt when viewed this way.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:34 pm
by Chaqa
Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:28 pm
The fact that TFB is still essentially only ever turning up to defend himself also bothers me greatly
Yeah, I got lambasted for suggesting TFB might be a good flip, good luck on that one :/
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:36 pm
by Hellenic Riot
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:34 pm
Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:28 pm
The fact that TFB is still essentially only ever turning up to defend himself also bothers me greatly
Yeah, I got lambasted for suggesting TFB might be a good flip, good luck on that one :/
Killing him just as an info flip is bad. Killing him because he's doing fuck all besides defend himself on the other hand...
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:38 pm
by DemonRHK
Alright, my 12 day stretch and subsequent bender are now done, I got 4 off in a row.
Vecna has committed and doubled down on ambiguity. I sympathize with his sentiment of being time pressed. Let's part him from the mortal coil to spare him. Plus the Foxna slot is scummy as shit.
HR is a satisfactory counterwagon. Gold ain't it I don't think, I'm leaning pretty well town on goldie now.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:39 pm
by Hellenic Riot
DemonRHK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:38 pm
Alright, my 12 day stretch and subsequent bender are now done, I got 4 off in a row.
Vecna has committed and doubled down on ambiguity. I sympathize with his sentiment of being time pressed. Let's part him from the mortal coil to spare him. Plus the Foxna slot is scummy as shit.
HR is a satisfactory counterwagon. Gold ain't it I don't think, I'm leaning pretty well town on goldie now.
Why do you think Goldie is town?
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:41 pm
by Chaqa
I had some town vibes from Gold earlier for his reactions to Roleblock debates among other things. It's waned a bit, but mostly he's in my would vote list for PoE reasons.
Someone mentioned Donny coasting a bit, which I think is fair, but Donny was the vote that flipped it from 8-6 TFB-celaph to 7-7 and allowed for Jamie and rivera to put the finishing touches on our first scum flip, so I don't think he's likely scum. Additionally, both Durga and celaph tried to push Donny on Day 1, and I think it was a serious attempt, so he's pretty locktown in my book.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:46 pm
by Chaqa
I miss Blamp
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:59 pm
by kgray
damo666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:15 pm
kgray wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:59 pm
damo666 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 1:21 pm
I'm OK with that PROVIDED THAT
If HR flips scum or Gold flips town we kill Vecna tomorrow OK?
If HR flips town we kill Gold tomorrow.
If Gold flips scum we kill Maniac tomorrow.
In fact
if HR scum then Vecna and if scum then Bona
if Gold town then Vecna and if scum then HR and if scum then Bona
if HR town then Gold and if scum then Maniac and if scum Bona
if Gold scum then Maniac and if scum then Bona
This is our path to victory. I think. Anyway, I think it's a good plan.
If we follow this plan and D5 is a mk (which I very much doubt) a rethink would be required.
Is this just POE or do you have reasons for the connections you're giving?
It follows the theory I previously laid with all the underlying assumptions. Nothing material has changed*.
To repeat
Remaining scum team is either
Bona HR Vecna
OR
Bona Gold Maniac
Obviously I would rather kill Bona but that doesn't seem an option so hence my vote for the likeliest of the other 4 to get chopped.
* I was kind of hoping for another RB quasi clear but I now realise that it can be inferred from your opening message that you were blocked again. Care to confirm?
Yeah, but I just don't get why it can't be like Bona/Gold/Vecna to you.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:03 pm
by ghug
Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:23 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 12:49 pm
@HR: you gonna vote?
@Bona: can you make your vote count?
At some point. I don't think making it a straight blast of Me vs Goldie for the entire day would give that much info beside Goldie's flip, so I'm content to sit around and allow other avenues to be followed before pulling it back to that later.
I also don't really feel like Vecna is particularly scummy at this point - And I quite like a lot of what he's saying. I do however feel like Donny has coasted massively since being townread on D1, and would like to hear him explain his votes and reads and other such matters.
I share this Donny concern.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:04 pm
by ghug
Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:27 pm
I also think rivera explaining his thought processes today has been pretty good, and I'm feeling a lot more like he's town now as a result. But if Vecna & rivera are indeed both town, I'm very low on scumreads (I really struggle to imagine Bona-Damo as a team at all here; though I'm quite confident one of them is scum). So of the others who I haven't been scumreading, delving again into Donny in particular is something I think to be quite worthwhile.
So, ya'll - What do you think about him?
You spell y'all like Vash.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:04 pm
by DemonRHK
Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:39 pm
DemonRHK wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:38 pm
Alright, my 12 day stretch and subsequent bender are now done, I got 4 off in a row.
Vecna has committed and doubled down on ambiguity. I sympathize with his sentiment of being time pressed. Let's part him from the mortal coil to spare him. Plus the Foxna slot is scummy as shit.
HR is a satisfactory counterwagon. Gold ain't it I don't think, I'm leaning pretty well town on goldie now.
Why do you think Goldie is town?
goldie hasn't played with a sense of urgency, or excitement.
Goldie loves non town roles. Goldie was the bioterror waaaaaay back in M24 and I got a view into his thoughts with the GM posts.
This reads as a notmal, townie goldie.
Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]
Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2022 5:05 pm
by kgray
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:24 pm
kgray wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 4:01 pm
Chaqa wrote: ↑Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:13 pm
Kgray, can you explain this Rivera thing you're on?
You barely mentioned him as a scum possibility til a very abrupt N3 post, and now you seem fixated on him.
Barely mentioned? I made a whole case on him N1 that I backed off of, and since D1 Rivera and HR have been linked to me. The POE is getting smaller and it seems more and more possible that this is what's happening.
I'm not fixated on him in this game, I'm just annoyed with him for OOG reasons.
The posts she did about me at night weren't game related, but she have been scumreading me and questioning me since D1.
This lazy Chaqa is starting to give me some bad vibes.
Yeah I keep going back and forth on him