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All this “VCA” assuming scum only ever save their teammates is so frustrating and experienced players should know better by now. How many times has believing that lead to town losses? Why people think it’s more likely that scum make a sincere push on a teammate as a bus and then abandon it when they could capitalize on the towncred is beyond me. Throwing in a last-minute vote for a teammate for towncred is infinitely more likely.

Do better Damo

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:35 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:32 pm

I don’t believe you believe half those assumptions you’re making. For one, there’s zero chance HR and I could be scum together. We just decided to both preemptively start scumreading our teammate? And then save him at the last minute? Garbage.

Lamp being on all your scum teams and maniac being on two is ridiculous.

Durga showing up in none of them is terrible.

Your willingness to believe Chaqa sounds fake.

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:12 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:58 pm

I purport that we're impossible scumbuddies because Boat's questionable assertion that we're impossible scumbuddies isn't one he'd make if we were scumbuddies.

That's stupid, I've made that argument about a scumbuddy in most of my scumgames.

Gottem

lol fine

kgray wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:36 pm

All this “VCA” assuming scum only ever save their teammates is so frustrating and experienced players should know better by now. How many times has believing that lead to town losses? Why people think it’s more likely that scum make a sincere push on a teammate as a bus and then abandon it when they could capitalize on the towncred is beyond me. Throwing in a last-minute vote for a teammate for towncred is infinitely more likely.

Do better Damo

Ok, assuming Boat is town, who do you think the likely celaph bussers are?

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:26 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:18 pm

I can't see why Chaqa would lie (unless to draw the NK) so will assume Bona is town. If Chaqa is NK'd and flips VT Bona can go back in the scumpool.

Chaqa's joking

Really?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:53 pm

I would guess most if not all celaph voters are town. Most likely busser would be Vecna.

Celaph's vote probably indicates TFB is town. I expect at least 3 scum on TFB. Very much doubt Blamp is scum though. HR looks horrible but does he do all that analysis as scum? Possible ofc but highly doubtful imo.

I am therefore willing to vote any of Bona kgray Bob Durga.

##vote Durga

And then theres this earlier post which you doubt blamp is scum ,so which is it?

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:37 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:36 pm

All this “VCA” assuming scum only ever save their teammates is so frustrating and experienced players should know better by now. How many times has believing that lead to town losses? Why people think it’s more likely that scum make a sincere push on a teammate as a bus and then abandon it when they could capitalize on the towncred is beyond me. Throwing in a last-minute vote for a teammate for towncred is infinitely more likely.

Do better Damo

Ok, assuming Boat is town, who do you think the likely celaph bussers are?

Vecna is my best guess. I guess Jamie or Rivera also based on the timing and the theory they’d want the credit. I don’t remember them ever really talking about celaph? Demon isn’t impossible because maybe he thought boat was a done deal.

I just hate when people split groups into “people who voted for scum” and “people who didn’t vote for scum” because there’s always scum and town in both groups and this kind of analysis ignores the rest of the game. Like damo’s not even thinking about how scum teams operate. What he’s suggesting makes no sense.

kgray wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:36 pm

All this “VCA” assuming scum only ever save their teammates is so frustrating and experienced players should know better by now. How many times has believing that lead to town losses? Why people think it’s more likely that scum make a sincere push on a teammate as a bus and then abandon it when they could capitalize on the towncred is beyond me. Throwing in a last-minute vote for a teammate for towncred is infinitely more likely.

Do better Damo

OK if you are town which of my assumptions are wrong.

I take your point about you and HR being an unlikely pairing.

The most likely thing I have wrong is only 1 busser (or the wrong busser). If there were 2 bussers (let's assume Vecna plus unknown) why not switch to TFB to tie? It must be somebody townreading TFB. This would be ghug, Jamie or rdr. But these are all strong townreads.

Conclusion: something is wrong.

kgray wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:45 pm

Vecna is my best guess.

Will you vote for Vecna?

Donny Dude wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:39 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 2:53 pm

I would guess most if not all celaph voters are town. Most likely busser would be Vecna.

Celaph's vote probably indicates TFB is town. I expect at least 3 scum on TFB. Very much doubt Blamp is scum though. HR looks horrible but does he do all that analysis as scum? Possible ofc but highly doubtful imo.

I am therefore willing to vote any of Bona kgray Bob Durga.

##vote Durga

And then theres this earlier post which you doubt blamp is scum ,so which is it?

Well I doubt he is scum but I can't make a team without him work.

So either Blamp is scum OR Chaqa is lying and/or one of ghug/jamie/rdr is a busser.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:51 pm

Donny Dude wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:39 pm

And then theres this earlier post which you doubt blamp is scum ,so which is it?

Well I doubt he is scum but I can't make a team without him work.

So either Blamp is scum OR Chaqa is lying and/or one of ghug/jamie/rdr is a busser.

Chaqa lying about what?

Being Roleblocked N1?

I must admit I'm not comfortable with my Blamp vote.

##vote Vecna

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:23 pm

If my assumptions are right the only 4somes that fit are

Blamp gold kgray Maniac
Blamp Vecna HR kgray
Blamp Vecna kgray Maniac

So Blamp and kgray must be scum. My best guess at the other two are Vecna Maniac.

##vote BusinessLamp

…what LOL

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:53 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:51 pm

Donny Dude wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:39 pm

And then theres this earlier post which you doubt blamp is scum ,so which is it?

Well I doubt he is scum but I can't make a team without him work.

So either Blamp is scum OR Chaqa is lying and/or one of ghug/jamie/rdr is a busser.

Chaqa lying about what?

Being Roleblocked N1?

about having an inno scan on Bona.

I can't see scum Chaqa switching from TFB to Celaph to tie it up with 7 minutes to go. So I assume his RB claim is correct.

I never claimed to have an innocent scan on Bona.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:00 pm

I never claimed to have an innocent scan on Bona.

@Durga: Was Damo joking?

Considering kgray's RB claim my conclusions look wrong.

So one of my supposed townclears must be wrong. I guess rdr is the most logical, voting celaph at the last minute once the game was up?

Or of course TFB might be scumPR.

My head hurts.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:49 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:36 pm

All this “VCA” assuming scum only ever save their teammates is so frustrating and experienced players should know better by now. How many times has believing that lead to town losses? Why people think it’s more likely that scum make a sincere push on a teammate as a bus and then abandon it when they could capitalize on the towncred is beyond me. Throwing in a last-minute vote for a teammate for towncred is infinitely more likely.

Do better Damo

OK if you are town which of my assumptions are wrong.

I take your point about you and HR being an unlikely pairing.

The most likely thing I have wrong is only 1 busser (or the wrong busser). If there were 2 bussers (let's assume Vecna plus unknown) why not switch to TFB to tie? It must be somebody townreading TFB. This would be ghug, Jamie or rdr. But these are all strong townreads.

Conclusion: something is wrong.

I'm starting to understand why you struggle as scum.

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:00 pm

I never claimed to have an innocent scan on Bona.

Who is Bofa then?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:03 pm

Considering kgray's RB claim my conclusions look wrong.

So one of my supposed townclears must be wrong. I guess rdr is the most logical, voting celaph at the last minute once the game was up?

Or of course TFB might be scumPR.

My head hurts.

Why did you townread rdr so strongly to begin with?

ghug wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:03 pm

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:49 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:36 pm

All this “VCA” assuming scum only ever save their teammates is so frustrating and experienced players should know better by now. How many times has believing that lead to town losses? Why people think it’s more likely that scum make a sincere push on a teammate as a bus and then abandon it when they could capitalize on the towncred is beyond me. Throwing in a last-minute vote for a teammate for towncred is infinitely more likely.

Do better Damo

OK if you are town which of my assumptions are wrong.

I take your point about you and HR being an unlikely pairing.

The most likely thing I have wrong is only 1 busser (or the wrong busser). If there were 2 bussers (let's assume Vecna plus unknown) why not switch to TFB to tie? It must be somebody townreading TFB. This would be ghug, Jamie or rdr. But these are all strong townreads.

Conclusion: something is wrong.

I'm starting to understand why you struggle as scum.

VG lol