M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4741 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:52 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:17 pm
@Maniac:

WHO DO YOU CLAIM HAVE INNOCENT SCANS ON?

There's no benefit to keeping this information a secret, since scum already know who is town and there's an outside chance you'd have scanned the GodFather.
Jamiet, you are better then this......
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4742 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:57 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:52 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:17 pm
@Maniac:

WHO DO YOU CLAIM HAVE INNOCENT SCANS ON?

There's no benefit to keeping this information a secret, since scum already know who is town and there's an outside chance you'd have scanned the GodFather.
Jamiet, you are better then this......
Okay clever boy, you tell me why Maniac claimed Cop, under not much pressure, with only two votes on him, and didn't tell us who he had scanned?

Explain it to me please.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4743 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:14 pm

ghug wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:43 am
I'd still get Rivera or gold too.
I really dislike this post from Ghug.
He tried to save Vecna every way, voted me, HR and Gold and only jump to Vecna when it´s done.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4744 Post by rdrivera2005 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:20 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:57 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:52 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:17 pm
@Maniac:

WHO DO YOU CLAIM HAVE INNOCENT SCANS ON?

There's no benefit to keeping this information a secret, since scum already know who is town and there's an outside chance you'd have scanned the GodFather.
Jamiet, you are better then this......
Okay clever boy, you tell me why Maniac claimed Cop, under not much pressure, with only two votes on him, and didn't tell us who he had scanned?

Explain it to me please.
Because it´s Maniac, he could have made a bad play or he could be lying town or lying scum. I can´t say which one but this will probably be sorted one way or another.

Suppose he is town. He could be Cop or not. Scum lost his RBer, which is huge because they can´t just RB the claimant and hope town DK him, which is one of the reasons I suspect anyone trying to save Vecna. So, scum has to dedide if Maniac is real cop or not. Don´t you think giving scan results now will help scum to identify this? So, the right play is to give scan results at EON.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4745 Post by Hellenic Riot » Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:27 pm

Maniac outing reports before EoN is a terrible play. Move along.
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#4746 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:40 pm

Okay.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4747 Post by DemonRHK » Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:58 pm

As long as Maniac does post his shit at EoN before he gets fucking killed.

I got lucky on Vecna. I fully bought into Jamie’s case, then oh ray reinforced it. You both wavering from your gut reads made me sad.

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#4748 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:06 pm

oh ray?
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#4749 Post by kgray » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:12 pm

DemonRHK wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:58 pm
As long as Maniac does post his shit at EoN before he gets fucking killed.

I got lucky on Vecna. I fully bought into Jamie’s case, then oh ray reinforced it. You both wavering from your gut reads made me sad.

:(
If there's one thing I'm good at it's wavering :-D

Thanks for staying strong, you get credit for that scumkill imo
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#4750 Post by Chaqa » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:31 pm

Am I town clear yet?

Can scum kill me please?
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#4751 Post by DemonRHK » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:31 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:06 pm
oh ray?
kgray. Phone autocorrect. Hard to type with a cat on my arm.
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#4752 Post by Chaqa » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:33 pm

DemonRHK wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:31 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:06 pm
oh ray?
kgray. Phone autocorrect. Hard to type with a cat on my arm.
2 (or maybe 3) out of 3 scum so far have been cat people.

This doesn't look good for you.
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#4753 Post by Chaqa » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:36 pm

Since we got scum, we have five flips left once again :D
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4754 Post by DemonRHK » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:37 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:33 pm
DemonRHK wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:31 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:06 pm
oh ray?
kgray. Phone autocorrect. Hard to type with a cat on my arm.
2 (or maybe 3) out of 3 scum so far have been cat people.

This doesn't look good for you.
I would own a Corgi, but a dog in an apartment with no room to run is inhumane imo.
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#4755 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:37 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:31 pm
Am I town clear yet?

Can scum kill me please?
No.

Please.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4756 Post by Maniac » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:51 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:33 pm
damo666 wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:16 pm
Maniac wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:05 pm
2 - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1710.00273.pdf
2. I've skimmed this and never seen such tripe in my life. Nowhere do they say how they determine what is true and what is a lie so the whole basis falls over. And 0.35% is significant because it's 0.35% of a big number, WHAT?

Those people want to go get a proper job.

Is Cornell that bad?
They sort of do, where they say that they "used a custom-developed texting application that collected participants’ text messages over 7 days, asking at send time whether each outgoing message was deceptive."

So in other words they asked their subjects to self-identify, on a message-by-message basis, whether they were lying.

Even if this is a sound methodology (which I don't think it is), I don't think Maniac's work here sound at all - there are a number of flaws:

1. Maniac categorises Fluminator as a "truth teller". This is not correct. Fluminator was Town, yes, but he also told a series of lies during D1, which he himself admitted later in the phase, when pressured.

2. Linked to (1), just because someone is Town, in this game, does not mean that every statement they make is 100% truthful, and just because someone is Mafia does not mean every statement they make will be a lie. For example, when I am Mafia, I commonly try to tell as few lies as possible. It's why I like to bus, because I can pick a team-mate and truthfully accuse them of stuff.

3. The research Maniac cited looks specifically at people communicating via text message. Text messages are, by their nature, quite short. We do not play Mafia by text message. Most of us post from our computers and have time to compose longer messages using a full keyboard. This is sufficiently different from sending an SMS that I am not convinced the same methodology can be usefully applied.

4. It's obviously just a load of crap to make it superficially look like Maniac is doing something.
You’re making this too easy for me now.
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#4757 Post by Chaqa » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:54 pm

I don't understand the contraction thing. It seems kinda silly.
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#4758 Post by damo666 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:57 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:54 pm
I don't understand the contraction thing. It seems kinda silly.
I think you do.
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#4759 Post by kgray » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:04 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:54 pm
I don't understand the contraction thing. It seems kinda silly.
is this a joke
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#4760 Post by Jamiet99uk » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:06 pm

M'nc wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:51 pm
J'99 wrote:
Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:33 pm

1. Maniac categorises Fluminator as a "truth teller". This is not correct. Fluminator was Town, yes, but he also told a series of lies during D1, which he himself admitted later in the phase, when pressured.

2. Linked to (1), just because someone is Town, in this game, does not mean that every statement they make is 100% truthful, and just because someone is Mafia does not mean every statement they make will be a lie. For example, when I am Mafia, I commonly try to tell as few lies as possible. It's why I like to bus, because I can pick a team-mate and truthfully accuse them of stuff.

3. The research Maniac cited looks specifically at people communicating via text message. Text messages are, by their nature, quite short. We do not play Mafia by text message. Most of us post from our computers and have time to compose longer messages using a full keyboard. This is sufficiently different from sending an SMS that I am not convinced the same methodology can be usefully applied.

4. It's obviously just a load of crap to make it superficially look like Maniac is doing something.
You’re making this too easy for me now.
Scum confirmed.
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