M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

Jamie's vote on celaph doesn't look all that great if you view it from an expectation that I would switch back to celaph from TFB and therefore celaph essentially already led, and the fact that he voted Bob to three way tie it just a couple minutes before.

But I still don't see Durga trying to flashwagon Jamie when he's her teammate; with the sole exception of her being angry he hardbussed Foxcastle and potentially chased him out of the game.

Durga tried to flashwagon boatman, who you are now voting for.

If you view D1 as a legitimate attempt; sure. I think it was very obvious the TFB wagon was going nowhere by the time she got back on him there.

How was it more obvious that boatman was going nowhere than that Jamie was going nowhere? I stated not being thrilled with a Jamie wagon and I think Lamp shot it down pretty bluntly.

[ghug]

The best argument for TFB being town is the one ghug gave on Day 2 that convinced me to switch to celaph in the first place - scum!TFB would have claimed a PR on the block.

Hence why I'm not dead-set on him needing to die, but still open to it to make sure we aren't getting bamboozled.

Why do people keep bringing this up? Scum TFB doesn't claim a PR when the votes will just shift to his teammate.

Man you’re the one who had the idea

It was valid at the time, made celaph the better vote, and seemingly convinced a few people to switch, so I think it's done enough for me.

[kgray]

Why are you defending TFB because Durga voted him whilst simultaneously casting aspersions at Jamie who Durga clearly preferred to vote in the exact same EoD?

I'm not casting aspersions at Jamie, I'm saying Durga trying to flashwagon him is a better reason to townread him than his celaph vote. She also did that to boatman.

It's like you guys just pick and choose what's scummy to you depending on who did it.

That’s actually true, because people play differently.

Something that scumGhug might do could be the same thing townJamie would do

No I phrased that poorly, that's not what I mean. HR is giving Jamie tons of townpoints because Durga tried to flashwagon him but apparently still thinks boatman is the most likely scumbo even though Durga tried to flashwagon him.

It's not about different playstyles.

[ghug]

Jamie's vote on celaph doesn't look all that great if you view it from an expectation that I would switch back to celaph from TFB and therefore celaph essentially already led, and the fact that he voted Bob to three way tie it just a couple minutes before.

But I still don't see Durga trying to flashwagon Jamie when he's her teammate; with the sole exception of her being angry he hardbussed Foxcastle and potentially chased him out of the game.

Durga tried to flashwagon boatman, who you are now voting for.

If you view D1 as a legitimate attempt; sure. I think it was very obvious the TFB wagon was going nowhere by the time she got back on him there.

Strongly disagree. There was a lot of appetite for boat.

[ghug]

Durga tried to flashwagon boatman, who you are now voting for.

If you view D1 as a legitimate attempt; sure. I think it was very obvious the TFB wagon was going nowhere by the time she got back on him there.

How was it more obvious that boatman was going nowhere than that Jamie was going nowhere? I stated not being thrilled with a Jamie wagon and I think Lamp shot it down pretty bluntly.

Huh actually they might have cop-read Lamp got that.

[kgray]

Anyway let’s vote maniac out

What is he doing that is scummy for Manaic? Since you're such a big fan of reading people differently based on who they are.

[Hellenic Riot]

Durga tried to flashwagon boatman, who you are now voting for.

If you view D1 as a legitimate attempt; sure. I think it was very obvious the TFB wagon was going nowhere by the time she got back on him there.

How was it more obvious that boatman was going nowhere than that Jamie was going nowhere? I stated not being thrilled with a Jamie wagon and I think Lamp shot it down pretty bluntly.

The fact that two people instantly followed onto it, both of whom had signalled willingness? And with all the generosity in the world to Lamp; he lacks the vigour that ghug joining a flashwagon has.

Plus the context of the wagons: D1 was already rapidly solidifying into Flum vs Bob. D2 at the time of the flashwagon had two very static wagons (Bob & Vecna) plus a growing wagon on... TFB, and a rapidly dying wagon on celaph. Indeed, as I noted at the time - If anything, the Jamie wagon appears to be a reaction to TFB taking the lead. Which still doesn't look great for TFB.

[kgray]

If you view D1 as a legitimate attempt; sure. I think it was very obvious the TFB wagon was going nowhere by the time she got back on him there.

How was it more obvious that boatman was going nowhere than that Jamie was going nowhere? I stated not being thrilled with a Jamie wagon and I think Lamp shot it down pretty bluntly.

The fact that two people instantly followed onto it, both of whom had signalled willingness? And with all the generosity in the world to Lamp; he lacks the vigour that ghug joining a flashwagon has.

Plus the context of the wagons: D1 was already rapidly solidifying into Flum vs Bob. D2 at the time of the flashwagon had two very static wagons (Bob & Vecna) plus a growing wagon on... TFB, and a rapidly dying wagon on celaph. Indeed, as I noted at the time - If anything, the Jamie wagon appears to be a reaction to TFB taking the lead. Which still doesn't look great for TFB.

That's not even close to being true. Durga voted for Boat when Flum was on 6, Rivera was on 3, and her vote put boat on 3. She later switched to bob, who had more momentum, but at the time of her boatman vote it was absolutely completely viable that boatman would become a contending wagon.

[kgray]

Plus if you want to say that ghug has so much vigor that Durga thinks his flashwagons are more likely to take off then that's just further evidence in my mind that Durga was trying to make sure Rivera wasn't the Flum counterwagon.

[Hellenic Riot]

How was it more obvious that boatman was going nowhere than that Jamie was going nowhere? I stated not being thrilled with a Jamie wagon and I think Lamp shot it down pretty bluntly.

The fact that two people instantly followed onto it, both of whom had signalled willingness? And with all the generosity in the world to Lamp; he lacks the vigour that ghug joining a flashwagon has.

Plus the context of the wagons: D1 was already rapidly solidifying into Flum vs Bob. D2 at the time of the flashwagon had two very static wagons (Bob & Vecna) plus a growing wagon on... TFB, and a rapidly dying wagon on celaph. Indeed, as I noted at the time - If anything, the Jamie wagon appears to be a reaction to TFB taking the lead. Which still doesn't look great for TFB.

That's not even close to being true. Durga voted for Boat when Flum was on 6, Rivera was on 3, and her vote put boat on 3. She later switched to bob, who had more momentum, but at the time of her boatman vote it was absolutely completely viable that boatman would become a contending wagon.

The two main people who'd been on TFB beforehand were Me (and I was now on Flum) and Flum (who was now voting for the rivera wagon which did seem to be gaining traction). Her vote took onto a wagon with the persuasive masterpiece that is Bona & the Rookie. It was not a wagon liable to gain momentum without more big-hitters; and she didn't exactly push an aggressive case to try and *be* said big-hitter.

[kgray]

Fine HR you're always right, I don't even know why I bother playing this game. Tom should just replace me with a bot that follows your vote around.

[Chaqa]

Anyway let’s vote maniac out

What is he doing that is scummy for Manaic? Since you're such a big fan of reading people differently based on who they are.

Maniac is not a player I have a super good meta on. He doesn’t play quite often enough or participate enough for that, and I have long term memories of high posting Maniac that aren’t really relevant to current maniac

[Hellenic Riot]

Indeed both before *and* after that TFB vote she was already signalling much more willingness to get onto Bob and actually pushing points there; because she knew full well that TFB was going nowhere.

[kgray]

Thanks for continuing to ignore my point about Durga preventing Rivera from becoming a counterwagon though. I guess it makes sense since you were doing the same thing.

[Chaqa]

You could be right about all of this Cagey-Ray. But I think pushing rivera today is not going to happen. We can re-evaluate how we feel on him tomorrow or the next day.

Is that good enough?

[Hellenic Riot]

Thanks for continuing to ignore my point about Durga preventing Rivera from becoming a counterwagon though. I guess it makes sense since you were doing the same thing.

It's a credible point; I just don't think he's scum.

[Vecna]

w÷e÷÷eeeeeeee

[Hellenic Riot]

Of course this is probably the first time I've ever *not* scumread rivera, so Sod's Law says he'll actually be scum this time. But hey, can only play the hand you're dealt

[kgray]

You could be right about all of this Cagey-Ray. But I think pushing rivera today is not going to happen. We can re-evaluate how we feel on him tomorrow or the next day.

Is that good enough?

Sure.

[Vecna]

lets not kill maniac today