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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#841 Post by kgray » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:35 pm

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Any claims of a trust tell seem bogus.
Okay then what do you think about bozo claiming to know what Flum was hinting at? Bozo, fact-checker extraordinaire, who didn't recall his own teammate from last game saying he was town?

This push onto Flum seems even more opportunistic than your jump onto Fox and I don't believe you're really thinking that much about it. It seems like you're trying to ride Jamie's enthusiasm to get a counterwagon going to save yourself.
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#842 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:36 pm

Does anyone believe Fluminator's assertion that when he posted that reads list in M71, it wasn't supposed to be read by anyone as an actual reads list, but instead he was "roleplaying as Maniac" ??

@Maniac: What do you think of Fluminator's impersonation of you? Was it convincing? Would you really post a reads list for Jeff Kuta using that style?
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#843 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:38 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:24 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:19 pm
Durga wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:09 pm
We should kill Chaqa because it would be funny
Uno reverse

##Vote Durga
Excuse me Chaqa but have you read my recent posts concerning Fluminator? I've proved his claim about his trust tell was false. Why take your vote off him?
You’ve “proven” it in your pedantic Jamie way that anyone else will realize means nothing

I would still vote Flum, but it’s “proven”ness isn’t a thing
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#844 Post by Fluminator » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:39 pm

kgray wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:35 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:27 pm
Any claims of a trust tell seem bogus.
Okay then what do you think about bozo claiming to know what Flum was hinting at? Bozo, fact-checker extraordinaire, who didn't recall his own teammate from last game saying he was town?
Bozo was the other who stuck out to me too. I've wifommed his alignment in my head in loops over it.
I guess it won't hurt to directly ask at this point what he thinks about it.
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#845 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:41 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:38 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:24 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:19 pm

Uno reverse

##Vote Durga
Excuse me Chaqa but have you read my recent posts concerning Fluminator? I've proved his claim about his trust tell was false. Why take your vote off him?
You’ve “proven” it in your pedantic Jamie way that anyone else will realize means nothing

I would still vote Flum, but it’s “proven”ness isn’t a thing
He claimed it is a "trust tell" that he never ever says he's town, when he is scum.

I provided a post of Fluminator, as scum, claiming to be town.

This demonstrates his claimed trust tell is false.

If I am wrong, please explain how.
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#846 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:41 pm

kgray wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:35 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:27 pm
Any claims of a trust tell seem bogus.
Okay then what do you think about bozo claiming to know what Flum was hinting at? Bozo, fact-checker extraordinaire, who didn't recall his own teammate from last game saying he was town?

This push onto Flum seems even more opportunistic than your jump onto Fox and I don't believe you're really thinking that much about it. It seems like you're trying to ride Jamie's enthusiasm to get a counterwagon going to save yourself.
I don't spend 20-30 minutes searching through mafia games all the way back to M39 with multiple search strings trying to find his so called trust tell out of lazy desperation. I've posted on the last post of the prior page what his trust tell is. The trust tell he makes here isn't it. If exact adherence to his trust tell is the standard he has for it then he has not made his trust tell here. If it isn't his standard then he has lied about it as jamie pointed out.

Look, if I wanted to just play keep the heat off of me, I'd just stick on Fox which was a bigger wagon with more support. This one has no momentum and has been rejected by almost everyone out of hand as just a mistake and NAI. Instead I did original research done by no one else successfully to see if what jamie was getting at made any sense. Turns out it does. Flum is lying and doubling down. This argument doesn't make any sense, kgray.
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#847 Post by Durga » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:44 pm

TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:27 pm
##vote fluminator
What is up with sheeping/budding Jamie like this?
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#848 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:44 pm

Durga wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:44 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:27 pm
##vote fluminator
What is up with sheeping/budding Jamie like this?
I made a very good argument and he can see that I am right.
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#849 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:44 pm

kgray wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:35 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:27 pm
Any claims of a trust tell seem bogus.
Okay then what do you think about bozo claiming to know what Flum was hinting at? Bozo, fact-checker extraordinaire, who didn't recall his own teammate from last game saying he was town?

This push onto Flum seems even more opportunistic than your jump onto Fox and I don't believe you're really thinking that much about it. It seems like you're trying to ride Jamie's enthusiasm to get a counterwagon going to save yourself.
As for the bozo thing, god knows. Maybe he misremembered what the actual trust tell was but did remember that Flum did declare a trust tell (bozo was in m61 so he would have seen it) and thought that was it.
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#850 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:44 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:41 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:38 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:24 pm


Excuse me Chaqa but have you read my recent posts concerning Fluminator? I've proved his claim about his trust tell was false. Why take your vote off him?
You’ve “proven” it in your pedantic Jamie way that anyone else will realize means nothing

I would still vote Flum, but it’s “proven”ness isn’t a thing
He claimed it is a "trust tell" that he never ever says he's town, when he is scum.

I provided a post of Fluminator, as scum, claiming to be town.

This demonstrates his claimed trust tell is false.

If I am wrong, please explain how.
Because it's Flum and he's trolling
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#851 Post by Fluminator » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:45 pm

I would like to point out that my post about trust tells was my post after this one.
You're welcome.
Fluminator wrote:
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I haven't played a vanilla game in so long. How do we escape the joke phase again?
I'm used to bad setup analysis helping me want to kill people.
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#852 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:45 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:44 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:41 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:38 pm

You’ve “proven” it in your pedantic Jamie way that anyone else will realize means nothing

I would still vote Flum, but it’s “proven”ness isn’t a thing
He claimed it is a "trust tell" that he never ever says he's town, when he is scum.

I provided a post of Fluminator, as scum, claiming to be town.

This demonstrates his claimed trust tell is false.

If I am wrong, please explain how.
Because it's Flum and he's trolling
Please explain how this helps town to catch scum.
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#853 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:47 pm

I think Durga's "wouldn't it be funny if we killed Chaqa" thing is meant to be read as a joke, but it is actually something she has done as scum before and I could see her wanting to push me out day 1 because she would have plausible cover to do so as town, and also because it protects her uwu mafia friends like Flum.
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#854 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:48 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:45 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:44 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:41 pm


He claimed it is a "trust tell" that he never ever says he's town, when he is scum.

I provided a post of Fluminator, as scum, claiming to be town.

This demonstrates his claimed trust tell is false.

If I am wrong, please explain how.
Because it's Flum and he's trolling
Please explain how this helps town to catch scum.
It's Day 1, he's gotten us debating over stuff. It's given some people (including me) a pretty good town read on you, so I would say he's helped a lot, actually.
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#855 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:49 pm

Durga wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:44 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:27 pm
##vote fluminator
What is up with sheeping/budding Jamie like this?
They're both quality arguments. The argument on Fox was clearly a good one and I did my own research on Fluminator and it turned me onto Fluminator harder than Jamie's argument did as evidenced by the fact that for about an hour after he started I was very content to stick on Fox because before I did my own research I thought his case on Fox was notably better than the one on Flum. If Flum's trust tell in all other games where he was town was "im town" or "I am town" as he tried to "clarify" (see: edit) then I would say the case was misguided (at first I kinda just took Flum at face value when he made that claim that the trust tell he made this game was notably different than what he did last game). But that just isn't the case.
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#856 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:49 pm

Fluminator wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:45 pm
I would like to point out that my post about trust tells was my post after this one.
You're welcome.
Fluminator wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:47 pm
I haven't played a vanilla game in so long. How do we escape the joke phase again?
I'm used to bad setup analysis helping me want to kill people.
Nice try.

Eight hours elapsed between those two posts. You're making it seem they were straight after each other. You then carried on for several pages talking about your "trust tell", insisting it wasn't a reaction test, and shouting at Chaqa for voting you, accusing him of being scum. That was all the way up to page 37, well after the joke phase.
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#857 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:52 pm

Fluminator wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:07 pm
This is my trust tell. (It's banned on mafiascum but not on webdip yet)
If you look at my two scum games on this site I never once posted I was town, while I regularly do in my town games.

Therefore, I activated my trust tell that I'm town and you can put me in as a lock.

Bozo gets it.
This is the post in question for those who care. Why Flum didn't directly just link to it is whatever
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#858 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:53 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:48 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:45 pm
Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:44 pm

Because it's Flum and he's trolling
Please explain how this helps town to catch scum.
It's Day 1, he's gotten us debating over stuff. It's given some people (including me) a pretty good town read on you, so I would say he's helped a lot, actually.
Actually you can tell that I'm town because I said "Hello" in my first post. That's my trust tell. I would only do that in this game if I was town.
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#859 Post by kgray » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:53 pm

TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:41 pm
kgray wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:35 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:27 pm
Any claims of a trust tell seem bogus.
Okay then what do you think about bozo claiming to know what Flum was hinting at? Bozo, fact-checker extraordinaire, who didn't recall his own teammate from last game saying he was town?

This push onto Flum seems even more opportunistic than your jump onto Fox and I don't believe you're really thinking that much about it. It seems like you're trying to ride Jamie's enthusiasm to get a counterwagon going to save yourself.
I don't spend 20-30 minutes searching through mafia games all the way back to M39 with multiple search strings trying to find his so called trust tell out of lazy desperation. I've posted on the last post of the prior page what his trust tell is. The trust tell he makes here isn't it. If exact adherence to his trust tell is the standard he has for it then he has not made his trust tell here. If it isn't his standard then he has lied about it as jamie pointed out.

Look, if I wanted to just play keep the heat off of me, I'd just stick on Fox which was a bigger wagon with more support. This one has no momentum and has been rejected by almost everyone out of hand as just a mistake and NAI. Instead I did original research done by no one else successfully to see if what jamie was getting at made any sense. Turns out it does. Flum is lying and doubling down. This argument doesn't make any sense, kgray.
idk I don't think Fox has more support now that he's subbing out. I don't know what else to say except that I'm not that convinced that Flum is scum here and while I'm not surprised Jamie thinks he is, I do find it a little surprising that you agree with him.
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#860 Post by Fluminator » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:54 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:49 pm
Fluminator wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:45 pm
I would like to point out that my post about trust tells was my post after this one.
You're welcome.
Fluminator wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:47 pm
I haven't played a vanilla game in so long. How do we escape the joke phase again?
I'm used to bad setup analysis helping me want to kill people.
Nice try.

Eight hours elapsed between those two posts. You're making it seem they were straight after each other. You then carried on for several pages talking about your "trust tell", insisting it wasn't a reaction test, and shouting at Chaqa for voting you, accusing him of being scum. That was all the way up to page 37, well after the joke phase.
So from your point of view, you think scum me was hoping no one would verify something that everyone has easy access to (in a game including players like bozo) so I could ride that wave to end in an easy scum victory?
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