M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Alternatively, it is possible (though not likely IMO) that Kgray is scum and the mafia team has been withholding their roleblock in order to prevent creating additional townclears.

This would make additional sense if the non-Godfather scum members are either likely to get daykilled regardless (such as HR or goldie) or are not under any suspicion (such as Jamie or ghug).

I'd only give this a low probability, but something to consider.

[kgray]

Alright so here's where I'm at.

Last night I said I'm voting Rivera the next day and nothing will change my mind. afaik the only two people who 100% knew that was for OOG reasons are Rivera and HR, with the additional possibility that boatman, ghug and maybe bona could have known at that time.

I was RB'd again last night. That makes me think that scum think I'm the cop with a guilty on Rivera from N1 and were trying to prevent me from getting another scan. I think Rivera is scum but that the RB'er is not HR or Rivera, because they wouldn't have been so worried that I had a guilty on Rivera because they knew about the OOG stuff. Rivera also can't be the godfather in this scenario, so I guess he'd have to be a goon.

Damo reacting to my claim that I was voting Rivera and also knowing I was hinting at being RB'd is pretty sus. I think he could be the RB'er. He didn't post after Rivera last night so there's a good chance imo that he was gone by the time Rivera came back and couldn't have changed his RB order.

And if I'm right about HR/Rivera being teammates then that makes HR the godfather.

Cool, I've solved the game. You're welcome town.

Yeah, we all saw what you were trying to do, but the timing on it didn't make much sense, hence why I mentioned your rivera push seeming sudden. If you had a guilty on RDR, it would have had to come on night 1, and you would have mentioned it more on day 2 or night 2 as opposed to Night 3, when you were roleblocked the previous night, no?

I mentioned to the God Chat that you might be cop with a guilty, but more that it seemed like a ploy to get mafia to kill or RB you.

The fact it worked is interesting, though.

If Rivera is mafia (big if), doesn't that mean that the "mafia pushed out celaph to protect TFB" theory is more valid, and maybe we should consider the TFB wagon again?

No I wasn't "trying to do" anything. That's my point. I said it for reasons that had nothing to do with this game so if the RB'er saw that and RB'd me for it, they couldn't have been someone who knew about the OOG thing.

I mean it wasn't a ploy and unfortunately it didn't get me killed.

Also, no. You want a boatman wagon based on the theory that scum was afraid I had a guilty on Rivera? That's insane lmao

[kgray]

Alternatively, it is possible (though not likely IMO) that Kgray is scum and the mafia team has been withholding their roleblock in order to prevent creating additional townclears.

This would make additional sense if the non-Godfather scum members are either likely to get daykilled regardless (such as HR or goldie) or are not under any suspicion (such as Jamie or ghug).

I'd only give this a low probability, but something to consider.

I thought you didn't waste your time with hypotheticals?

[ghug]

Alternatively, it is possible (though not likely IMO) that Kgray is scum and the mafia team has been withholding their roleblock in order to prevent creating additional townclears.

This would make additional sense if the non-Godfather scum members are either likely to get daykilled regardless (such as HR or goldie) or are not under any suspicion (such as Jamie or ghug).

I'd only give this a low probability, but something to consider.

You think she's capable of fake brainbombing?

[Chaqa]

Insanity is my middle name

[Chaqa]

Alternatively, it is possible (though not likely IMO) that Kgray is scum and the mafia team has been withholding their roleblock in order to prevent creating additional townclears.

This would make additional sense if the non-Godfather scum members are either likely to get daykilled regardless (such as HR or goldie) or are not under any suspicion (such as Jamie or ghug).

I'd only give this a low probability, but something to consider.

I thought you didn't waste your time with hypotheticals?

Oh no another Gotcha! moment, rip me

[Chaqa]

Alternatively, it is possible (though not likely IMO) that Kgray is scum and the mafia team has been withholding their roleblock in order to prevent creating additional townclears.

This would make additional sense if the non-Godfather scum members are either likely to get daykilled regardless (such as HR or goldie) or are not under any suspicion (such as Jamie or ghug).

I'd only give this a low probability, but something to consider.

You think she's capable of fake brainbombing?

We must have different ideas of brainbombing. She isn't changing her reads every five minutes

[kgray]

idk Chaqa I keep thinking you're scum

But whatever, can you just vote Rivera with me?

[ghug]

Alternatively, it is possible (though not likely IMO) that Kgray is scum and the mafia team has been withholding their roleblock in order to prevent creating additional townclears.

This would make additional sense if the non-Godfather scum members are either likely to get daykilled regardless (such as HR or goldie) or are not under any suspicion (such as Jamie or ghug).

I'd only give this a low probability, but something to consider.

You think she's capable of fake brainbombing?

We must have different ideas of brainbombing. She isn't changing her reads every five minutes

She's going several levels deep speculating on night action hypotheticals to conclude that they had a very specific plan targeting her. That's pretty brainbomby.

[ghug]

I'll ##VOTE Rivera with you

[Chaqa]

idk Chaqa I keep thinking you're scum

But whatever, can you just vote Rivera with me?

I will not vote for Rivera at all.

[kgray]

idk Chaqa I keep thinking you're scum

But whatever, can you just vote Rivera with me?

I will not vote for Rivera at all.

Why?

[Chaqa]

Also don't forget Damo fell for my Bofa joke earlier and earnestly thought I had a guilty on Bona. scum!Damo probably doesn't do that (unless maybe it's Damo AND Bona?)

[Chaqa]

idk Chaqa I keep thinking you're scum

But whatever, can you just vote Rivera with me?

I will not vote for Rivera at all.

Why?

I townread him and it doesn't provide any information about wagons as a whole.

[Hellenic Riot]

I don't see why kgray being RB'd is at all damning for rivera. N1, sure, that makes sense. But N3?

If rivera was that worried you were going to go after him and might be cop... Why wouldn't he just kill you?

[kgray]

Also don't forget Damo fell for my Bofa joke earlier and earnestly thought I had a guilty on Bona. scum!Damo probably doesn't do that (unless maybe it's Damo AND Bona?)

You said you have an inno on bona. Scum!Damo could totally fall for that if bona is town.

[kgray]

I will not vote for Rivera at all.

Why?

I townread him and it doesn't provide any information about wagons as a whole.

And yet you were willing to use the possibility of scum!Rivera to get your boatman wagon going again. Cool.

[kgray]

I don't see why kgray being RB'd is at all damning for rivera. N1, sure, that makes sense. But N3?

If rivera was that worried you were going to go after him and might be cop... Why wouldn't he just kill you?

You don't see how me being RB'd after I said Rivera is 100% getting my vote the next day is damning to Rivera?

And idk why I'm not dead. Maybe they didn't have enough votes to change the kill target? And besides, if they kill me and I flip cop Rivera is dead today.

If you were town you should assume that they left me alive so today could be you vs Vecna

[Chaqa]

Also don't forget Damo fell for my Bofa joke earlier and earnestly thought I had a guilty on Bona. scum!Damo probably doesn't do that (unless maybe it's Damo AND Bona?)

You said you have an inno on bona. Scum!Damo could totally fall for that if bona is town.

I said I had something on *bofa*

Was it an inno? That’s less fun, oh well

[kgray]

You think she's capable of fake brainbombing?

We must have different ideas of brainbombing. She isn't changing her reads every five minutes

She's going several levels deep speculating on night action hypotheticals to conclude that they had a very specific plan targeting her. That's pretty brainbomby.

I don't think it's targeting me, I think it's protecting Rivera.