M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

Barely mentioned? I made a whole case on him N1 that I backed off of, and since D1 Rivera and HR have been linked to me. The POE is getting smaller and it seems more and more possible that this is what's happening.

I'm not fixated on him in this game, I'm just annoyed with him for OOG reasons.

The posts she did about me at night weren't game related, but she have been scumreading me and questioning me since D1.

This lazy Chaqa is starting to give me some bad vibes.

My mistake was doing my bot search wrong. I searched kgray mentioned rivera with the filter starting on Day 2, assuming anything from before then wouldn't be relevant.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d2-&g=72

The push on you looks much more abrupt when viewed this way.

Why would you assume anything before D2 wouldn't be relevant?

[Hellenic Riot]

Alright, my 12 day stretch and subsequent bender are now done, I got 4 off in a row.

Vecna has committed and doubled down on ambiguity. I sympathize with his sentiment of being time pressed. Let's part him from the mortal coil to spare him. Plus the Foxna slot is scummy as shit.

HR is a satisfactory counterwagon. Gold ain't it I don't think, I'm leaning pretty well town on goldie now.

Why do you think Goldie is town?

goldie hasn't played with a sense of urgency, or excitement.

Goldie loves non town roles. Goldie was the bioterror waaaaaay back in M24 and I got a view into his thoughts with the GM posts.

This reads as a notmal, townie goldie.

Last time I played with Goldie, we were both scum together, and he was far from thrilled to have rolled scum yet again, because he's been scum in like 80% of games he's ever played. I wouldn't expect much excitement from him to roll scum nowadays.

I also think rivera explaining his thought processes today has been pretty good, and I'm feeling a lot more like he's town now as a result. But if Vecna & rivera are indeed both town, I'm very low on scumreads (I really struggle to imagine Bona-Damo as a team at all here; though I'm quite confident one of them is scum). So of the others who I haven't been scumreading, delving again into Donny in particular is something I think to be quite worthwhile.

So, ya'll - What do you think about him?

You spell y'all like Vash.

My apologies.

So, yinz - What do you think about Donny?

[goldfinger0303]

I’m fine giving Vecna one more day as he asked.

If he doesn’t have something by then we can kill him

I'm OK with that PROVIDED THAT

If HR flips scum or Gold flips town we kill Vecna tomorrow OK?

If HR flips town we kill Gold tomorrow.

If Gold flips scum we kill Maniac tomorrow.

In fact

if HR scum then Vecna and if scum then Bona
if Gold town then Vecna and if scum then HR and if scum then Bona
if HR town then Gold and if scum then Maniac and if scum Bona
if Gold scum then Maniac and if scum then Bona

This is our path to victory. I think. Anyway, I think it's a good plan.

If we follow this plan and D5 is a mk (which I very much doubt) a rethink would be required.

Wait wait wait.

When I flip town why are you going on Vecna and not HR?

I also think you're limiting the pool to too few people. I mean yes I'm scumreading bona as well, and don't have anything particularly wrong with your targets, but it's too easy for scum to post plans like this knowing the majority of the targets are town

[kgray]

I miss Blamp

How dare you

[damo666]

Is this just POE or do you have reasons for the connections you're giving?

It follows the theory I previously laid with all the underlying assumptions. Nothing material has changed*.

To repeat

Remaining scum team is either

Bona HR Vecna
OR
Bona Gold Maniac

Obviously I would rather kill Bona but that doesn't seem an option so hence my vote for the likeliest of the other 4 to get chopped.

* I was kind of hoping for another RB quasi clear but I now realise that it can be inferred from your opening message that you were blocked again. Care to confirm?

Yeah, but I just don't get why it can't be like Bona/Gold/Vecna to you.

I had in my assumptions HR/Maniac and Gold/Vecna as both unlikely. I think from voting from memory.

[Hellenic Riot]

In fact, if you want to invoke gambler's fallacy on anyone damo - Goldie has rolled scum in well over half of the games he's played. The dice is clearly loaded there; so it must have happened again.

[kgray]

guys Chaqa is actually probably scum lol

[kgray]

ghug is far too passive atm too

[Chaqa]

The posts she did about me at night weren't game related, but she have been scumreading me and questioning me since D1.

This lazy Chaqa is starting to give me some bad vibes.

My mistake was doing my bot search wrong. I searched kgray mentioned rivera with the filter starting on Day 2, assuming anything from before then wouldn't be relevant.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d2-&g=72

The push on you looks much more abrupt when viewed this way.

Why would you assume anything before D2 wouldn't be relevant?

Because Day 1 was almost entirely joke posts and a runaway Flum train?

[Hellenic Riot]

My mistake was doing my bot search wrong. I searched kgray mentioned rivera with the filter starting on Day 2, assuming anything from before then wouldn't be relevant.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d2-&g=72

The push on you looks much more abrupt when viewed this way.

Why would you assume anything before D2 wouldn't be relevant?

Because Day 1 was almost entirely joke posts and a runaway Flum train?

Doesn't 90% of the case against Vecna stem from D1?

[goldfinger0303]

I've caught up and see a good number of people expressing a willingness to vote bona, so let's get this going

##Vote bona

I actually agree with HR that turning the day into a him vs me thing won't be at all impactful to the town. Because God forbid I'm wrong and we flip HR today and he shows up town, that's two of our four miskills gone.

[Chaqa]

I miss Blamp

How dare you

He was fun!

[Chaqa]

Why would you assume anything before D2 wouldn't be relevant?

Because Day 1 was almost entirely joke posts and a runaway Flum train?

Doesn't 90% of the case against Vecna stem from D1?

It's mostly from Fox. Personally my thinking on voting Vecna was that he isn't contributing much anyway, so it doesn't hurt to use him as a litmus test for the TFB wagon and TFB himself, more than thinking Vecna was scummy

[ghug]

Why do you think Goldie is town?

goldie hasn't played with a sense of urgency, or excitement.

Goldie loves non town roles. Goldie was the bioterror waaaaaay back in M24 and I got a view into his thoughts with the GM posts.

This reads as a notmal, townie goldie.

Last time I played with Goldie, we were both scum together, and he was far from thrilled to have rolled scum yet again, because he's been scum in like 80% of games he's ever played. I wouldn't expect much excitement from him to roll scum nowadays.

I also think rivera explaining his thought processes today has been pretty good, and I'm feeling a lot more like he's town now as a result. But if Vecna & rivera are indeed both town, I'm very low on scumreads (I really struggle to imagine Bona-Damo as a team at all here; though I'm quite confident one of them is scum). So of the others who I haven't been scumreading, delving again into Donny in particular is something I think to be quite worthwhile.

So, ya'll - What do you think about him?

You spell y'all like Vash.

My apologies.

So, yinz - What do you think about Donny?

Now you sound like Chaqa.

[kgray]

My mistake was doing my bot search wrong. I searched kgray mentioned rivera with the filter starting on Day 2, assuming anything from before then wouldn't be relevant.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?us ... t=d2-&g=72

The push on you looks much more abrupt when viewed this way.

Why would you assume anything before D2 wouldn't be relevant?

Because Day 1 was almost entirely joke posts and a runaway Flum train?

So? You proclaimed bona town on D1. You were suspicious of bozo (for bad reasons I should add, but still you made a case). You could apparently get some reads out of D1.

Actually your D1 ISO looks very scum!Chaqa. You say you'd vote for Celaph but never follow up on it. The certainty you have of Durga being scum is sus in hindsight. I could 100% see you whiteknighting for boatman and bona.

[kgray]

I've caught up and see a good number of people expressing a willingness to vote bona, so let's get this going

##Vote bona

I actually agree with HR that turning the day into a him vs me thing won't be at all impactful to the town. Because God forbid I'm wrong and we flip HR today and he shows up town, that's two of our four miskills gone.

HR being town doesn't make you scum and I don't know why people are saying that. Why are you accepting people believing that?

[goldfinger0303]

Oh shit, kgray's got Chaqa on the ropes

[kgray]

Because Day 1 was almost entirely joke posts and a runaway Flum train?

Doesn't 90% of the case against Vecna stem from D1?

It's mostly from Fox. Personally my thinking on voting Vecna was that he isn't contributing much anyway, so it doesn't hurt to use him as a litmus test for the TFB wagon and TFB himself, more than thinking Vecna was scummy

Gross.

What did Fox do that was so scummy D1 and if you're that convinced then why do you think I couldn't have formed a read of Rivera based off of D1?

[goldfinger0303]

I've caught up and see a good number of people expressing a willingness to vote bona, so let's get this going

##Vote bona

I actually agree with HR that turning the day into a him vs me thing won't be at all impactful to the town. Because God forbid I'm wrong and we flip HR today and he shows up town, that's two of our four miskills gone.

HR being town doesn't make you scum and I don't know why people are saying that. Why are you accepting people believing that?

Because people are dumb and enough of them have already posted their intent. And then the "Goldie is an info kill, we have to do it" logic will start to come out, like people are *still* trying to do with TFB

[Chaqa]

Why would you assume anything before D2 wouldn't be relevant?

Because Day 1 was almost entirely joke posts and a runaway Flum train?

So? You proclaimed bona town on D1. You were suspicious of bozo (for bad reasons I should add, but still you made a case). You could apparently get some reads out of D1.

Actually your D1 ISO looks very scum!Chaqa. You say you'd vote for Celaph but never follow up on it. The certainty you have of Durga being scum is sus in hindsight. I could 100% see you whiteknighting for boatman and bona.

Wrong, but understandable. And I did follow up on it on Day 2 when it mattered. On Day 1I as pretty sure Flum was scum and didn't want to let him get away with it.