M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3961 Post by Hellenic Riot » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:29 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:17 pm
Let’s see how the night goes and re-evaluate.

It’s hard to say whether Durga giving up means she just didn’t want to bother or if her team is in trouble. For those more familiar with her, is she more likely to give up like that when the rest of her team is well-covered, or under suspicion?
I suspect she gave up due to out of game reasons sapping motivation more than anything
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#3962 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:39 pm

Goldfinger is here.
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#3963 Post by goldfinger0303 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:46 pm

Hi Jamiet,

Are there any clarifications you'd like for me? I think your take that it's not scum theatre between HR and I is a good one. It'd be an utterly stupid thing to do, because one of us would have to be a scum PR.

And, while it may give me credit, don't look too much into my other votes yesterday. They were jokes, and I made it evidently clear even for HR to see
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#3964 Post by Donny Dude » Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:54 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:33 am
Maniac wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:37 am
Well played catching Durga

This kill makes HR more likely to be scum and Durga saw no reason to save herself as scum!hR was the counter wagon
Maniac is Town.
Now Maniac is town to you?
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#3965 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:06 pm

Donny cast three votes on Day 1.

Damo, Celaph, Durga.

If we assume he is some sort of mafia seer, we should flip Damo next.
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#3966 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:07 pm

Donny Dude wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:54 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:33 am
Maniac wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:37 am
Well played catching Durga

This kill makes HR more likely to be scum and Durga saw no reason to save herself as scum!hR was the counter wagon
Maniac is Town.
Now Maniac is town to you?
@Durga: Was I joking?
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#3967 Post by Jamiet99uk » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:08 pm

goldfinger0303 wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:46 pm
Hi Jamiet,

Are there any clarifications you'd like for me? I think your take that it's not scum theatre between HR and I is a good one. It'd be an utterly stupid thing to do, because one of us would have to be a scum PR.

And, while it may give me credit, don't look too much into my other votes yesterday. They were jokes, and I made it evidently clear even for HR to see
Was your vote for Hellenic Riot a joke?
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#3968 Post by goldfinger0303 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:36 pm

No, the vote for Hellenic Riot is in earnest
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3969 Post by ghug » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:38 pm

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:58 pm
I'm very confused how anyone can scumread DemonRHK after the Durga flip - He was the person she defaulted to making lazy pushes on pretty much consistently through the whole game, and I find it very hard to believe they were trash tier busses.
Who's doing that?
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#3970 Post by ghug » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:38 pm

Hellenic Riot wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:06 pm
Strong Town:
BobMcBob
Chaqa
DemonRHK

Town:
ghug
Jamie (Certain town if Vecna is town. The only way I can see Jamie as scum at this point is if the reason Durga tried to flashwagon him was her being annoyed at him for hardcore bussing Fox off the bat)

Slight Town:
Donny Dude
Maniac
TheFlyingBoat

Null:
BusinessLamp

Slight Scum:
kgray
rdrivera

Scum:
damo666
Vecna
Bonatogether

Strong Scum:
goldfinger0303
Why are you so hung up on the Jamie flash?
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#3971 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:42 pm

HR, can you elaborate on your goldfinger, Bona, and rivera reads specifically?
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#3972 Post by ghug » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:44 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:37 pm
So on the basis of re-reading Goldfinger's interactions with the two dead scum:

- Durga hardly interacted with Goldfinger at all, but expressed that she did not want to vote for him.

- Celaph only mentioned Goldfinger a few times, but townread him on the occasions he was mentioned.

- Goldfinger initially praised Durga. However, he actually voted for Durga two times on D3. The first of those votes put the Durga wagon back into the lead over Vecna when Damo had tied it. The second of those votes (after a short spell voting for Chaqa) happened when Durga was becoming a runaway wagon.

- Goldfinger's inconsistent takes on Celaph are probably the most interesting thing to look at here.

@Ghug: Do you think that Scum!Goldfinger would bus Durga hard enough to make her the lead wagon in a tie with Vecna? Or could it be that Durga/Vecna was scum v scum and therefore Goldfinger just wanted credit for being on the one that would flip? What's your specific take on Goldfinger's two votes for Durga?

@Ghug: Do you still think that what we witnessed on page 174 was Scum!HR aggressively attacking Scum!Goldfinger over his inconsistent votes for Scum!Celaph? Any further comments in light of HR's response to this?

(Anyone else feel free to comment too)
I think Durga was clearly screwed and had probably told her teammates to give her up, given how she played the day. Durga and Vecna both being scum would also explain the behavior, but isn't strictly necessary.

I don't find HR's response compelling. If it's day 3, one scum is dead, and at least two more are very widely scumread, scum's first priority is going to be distancing any uncaught members.
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#3973 Post by TheFlyingBoat » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:22 pm

ghug wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:38 pm
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:58 pm
I'm very confused how anyone can scumread DemonRHK after the Durga flip - He was the person she defaulted to making lazy pushes on pretty much consistently through the whole game, and I find it very hard to believe they were trash tier busses.
Who's doing that?
Gold did didn't they?
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#3974 Post by Hellenic Riot » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:49 pm

ghug wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:44 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:37 pm
So on the basis of re-reading Goldfinger's interactions with the two dead scum:

- Durga hardly interacted with Goldfinger at all, but expressed that she did not want to vote for him.

- Celaph only mentioned Goldfinger a few times, but townread him on the occasions he was mentioned.

- Goldfinger initially praised Durga. However, he actually voted for Durga two times on D3. The first of those votes put the Durga wagon back into the lead over Vecna when Damo had tied it. The second of those votes (after a short spell voting for Chaqa) happened when Durga was becoming a runaway wagon.

- Goldfinger's inconsistent takes on Celaph are probably the most interesting thing to look at here.

@Ghug: Do you think that Scum!Goldfinger would bus Durga hard enough to make her the lead wagon in a tie with Vecna? Or could it be that Durga/Vecna was scum v scum and therefore Goldfinger just wanted credit for being on the one that would flip? What's your specific take on Goldfinger's two votes for Durga?

@Ghug: Do you still think that what we witnessed on page 174 was Scum!HR aggressively attacking Scum!Goldfinger over his inconsistent votes for Scum!Celaph? Any further comments in light of HR's response to this?

(Anyone else feel free to comment too)
I think Durga was clearly screwed and had probably told her teammates to give her up, given how she played the day. Durga and Vecna both being scum would also explain the behavior, but isn't strictly necessary.

I don't find HR's response compelling. If it's day 3, one scum is dead, and at least two more are very widely scumread, scum's first priority is going to be distancing any uncaught members.
Cross-tunnelling is not Distancing. If two scum members are dead/about to die - when there's no doc - the last thing the rest of the scum want is to be leading wagons on teammates because then they'll have to explain why on earth they're alive in a few days time.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3975 Post by ghug » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:53 pm

TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:22 pm
ghug wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:38 pm
Hellenic Riot wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:58 pm
I'm very confused how anyone can scumread DemonRHK after the Durga flip - He was the person she defaulted to making lazy pushes on pretty much consistently through the whole game, and I find it very hard to believe they were trash tier busses.
Who's doing that?
Gold did didn't they?
Oh of course, HR's singular obsession.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3976 Post by Hellenic Riot » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:00 pm

ghug wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:53 pm
TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:22 pm
ghug wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:38 pm


Who's doing that?
Gold did didn't they?
Oh of course, HR's singular obsession.
Oh yes, I'm totally ignoring this game except for gold. I definitely haven't given any other reads at all :eyeroll:

I saw people discussing reads, I saw DemonRHK as a scumread for someone, I pondered him, and I concluded that Durga's play makes him look extremely townie.

@Chaqa

My Bona read hasn't developed much since N1, but I think the TFB tunnel has crossed over into meme territory now. Hell, *there's* someone who has a singular focus this game, and who has distanced themselves from just about everyone. rdrivera meanwhile feels like the only time he's actually been active this game was when kgray, TFB, and myself were scumreading him D1 - He turned up, responded angstily, did some stuff, and as soon as attention moved on he's disappeared back into the aether.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3977 Post by goldfinger0303 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:05 pm

To be fair to HR, I haven't done a real extensive re-read of Demon. I'll try to do so today, and perhaps that will make me re-evaluate.

But what sticks out in their mind was the silly fluff data post they did early on, which a lot of people have remarked on.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3978 Post by Hellenic Riot » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:06 pm

goldfinger0303 wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:05 pm
To be fair to HR, I haven't done a real extensive re-read of Demon. I'll try to do so today, and perhaps that will make me re-evaluate.

But what sticks out in their mind was the silly fluff data post they did early on, which a lot of people have remarked on.
The person who remarked most on that was in fact Durga. Most people who remarked on it failed to see a scum motivation for it.
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#3979 Post by Hellenic Riot » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:10 pm

I've done enough VCA for a while; but I'd like people to have a look at damo's vote patterns & the state of the wagons at the time he made them on all three days.
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Re: M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

#3980 Post by Chaqa » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:15 pm

I’d be down to vote Damo purely off Donny voting for 2 scum on day 1 and wondering if he made a hat trick
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