M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

Okay, there was in fact one in M69 N1. In fact, I also made a joke about you always being roleblocked in that game, which you also took issue with.
Also in M64 N1.
I'm not sure there were any before that, but you get the point. There is a precedent for this.

Can you point me at your joke in M69?

Yes.

I been roleblocked

ghug have you ever not been roleblocked?

[BobMcBob]

##vote Bob

Either scum or an inconvenience

Same applies to you and your lazy voting.

[ghug]

Okay, there was in fact one in M69 N1. In fact, I also made a joke about you always being roleblocked in that game, which you also took issue with.
Also in M64 N1.
I'm not sure there were any before that, but you get the point. There is a precedent for this.

Can you point me at your joke in M69?

Yes.

I been roleblocked

ghug have you ever not been roleblocked?

Ok I kinda buy this.

[goldfinger0303]

You declared him to be scum in one sentence, and then town in the very next sentence, right after that.

Oh, I mixed up who was the leading alternative wagon at the end. I thought TFB was the counter-wagon, and rdrivera after it. I see the source of confusion now.

How does the new knowledge of Bob being the main counter wagon change your analysis

Late, I realize phase has passed but I'm reading from where I left off.

Fundamentally it doesn't change anything. By the time Bob was the leading counter-wagon, the votes on Flum were massively ahead of everyone else. Scum would still been looking to jump around.

[ghug]

Oh, I mixed up who was the leading alternative wagon at the end. I thought TFB was the counter-wagon, and rdrivera after it. I see the source of confusion now.

How does the new knowledge of Bob being the main counter wagon change your analysis

Late, I realize phase has passed but I'm reading from where I left off.

Fundamentally it doesn't change anything. By the time Bob was the leading counter-wagon, the votes on Flum were massively ahead of everyone else. Scum would still been looking to jump around.

You said that the EoD was all townies on the block. Do you still believe this?

[goldfinger0303]

Fundamentally it doesn't change anything. By the time Bob was the leading counter-wagon, the votes on Flum were massively ahead of everyone else. Scum would still been looking to jump around.

You said that the EoD was all townies on the block. Do you still believe this?

This is what I mean by fundamentally it doesn't change anything. A scumread of mine was on the block, but Flum had what, 9-10 votes on him at the time? Plenty of room for scum to be comfortable jumping around. I may have been wrong on some of the facts, but the underlying behavior I inferred from it shouldn't change much. Let's start at 20 minutes to EOD, with Durga's change off Donny. Its 5-3-3, with all people I believe are town. For about 2 minutes its scary with a 6-4-3 with Bob in the middle, but that climbs to 9-5-2 quickly. A 9-5 lead is fundamentally no different than a 5-2 lead. Enough people indicated they were tunneled on Flum for them to be safe.

[goldfinger0303]

I see DeathLlama died though, so I have to re-evaluate my reads.

It seems that someone other than me noticed that DL put a lot of effort into the early game. I don't think I remember anyone else mentioning it though? I'm going to look through the bot later though to make sure. Jokes on scum if they got that hunch off my post - I can't read people for shit. I've probably played ten games of mafia and been town in three of them.

[Maniac]

well i did?

Out of interest, what do you think about Flum's post there?

it literally does not matter, why are you asking her this now?

If Kgray is scum this very small and seemingly insignificant post will change the way we play mafia FOREVER. I can’t explain now or really scum read Kgray for it because the jury is still out but someone please remind me about it at EOG.

Oh and Bob is still scum ##vote Bob

[ghug]

I see DeathLlama died though, so I have to re-evaluate my reads.

It seems that someone other than me noticed that DL put a lot of effort into the early game. I don't think I remember anyone else mentioning it though? I'm going to look through the bot later though to make sure. Jokes on scum if they got that hunch off my post - I can't read people for shit. I've probably played ten games of mafia and been town in three of them.

Yeah, maybe gold is scum.

[goldfinger0303]

At risk of inflating HR's ego, I'm going to make another post about him.

While my hypothesis of town being the lead wagons EOD1 fit with a scumread of HR, my scumread is not dependent upon that hypothesis. Word for word, I found him scummy for these reasons 1) HR was very indecisive on how he felt about Flum. Constantly hedged his statements. 2) He also deflected heat from damo, Bob and Donny towards the end of the day as people were feeling out possibilities for other wagons. He was open for rdrivera though, who I find to be pretty towny thus far.

[ghug]

##VOTE celaph

[goldfinger0303]

Yeah, maybe gold is scum.

And here I was going to create a shrine to you in my remodeled closet, Helga Pataki style.

[goldfinger0303]

The NK probably implies one of my supposed towncore is scum.

@ghug silly reaction test

Chaqa no longer scum suspect

@Demo you just want to look at total wordcount as a metric

@Jamie from what pov and at what stage?

Basically 1 - ((PlayerCount-Bcount)C5/PlayercountC5)

I hate this post.

Damo, how can it be a silly reaction test if you now no longer suspect Chaqa of being scum? Would you have felt the same way if Chaqa claimed and nobody counter-claimed?

Also while I understand the interaction between Chaqa and ghug can be convincing, we cannot rule out that scum RB'd DeathLlama. There's only two PRs, and if they thought DL was one, it's a 50/50 chance its Doc. If I was scum I'd be roleblocking my kill every night. Why is nobody else even mentioning this possibility?

[goldfinger0303]

##Vote damo

[celaph]

Or he sees Flum running away with it and is choosing to preemptively shit on town's thought processes rather than dirty his hands needlessly.

I think TFB scumslipped by +1ing this post.

Also reaally dislike the moving to TFB at the end, especially from RHK. Reeks of just trying to avoid responsibility.

I'll take the blame. I was on him. And if the post was 3 minutes earlier, maybe flum gets saved. But it wasn't, and I was wrong. I still belive most of the early wagon is town with the exception of camo.

I think this is town RHK.

[ghug]

The NK probably implies one of my supposed towncore is scum.

@ghug silly reaction test

Chaqa no longer scum suspect

@Demo you just want to look at total wordcount as a metric

@Jamie from what pov and at what stage?

Basically 1 - ((PlayerCount-Bcount)C5/PlayercountC5)

I hate this post.

Damo, how can it be a silly reaction test if you now no longer suspect Chaqa of being scum? Would you have felt the same way if Chaqa claimed and nobody counter-claimed?

Also while I understand the interaction between Chaqa and ghug can be convincing, we cannot rule out that scum RB'd DeathLlama. There's only two PRs, and if they thought DL was one, it's a 50/50 chance its Doc. If I was scum I'd be roleblocking my kill every night. Why is nobody else even mentioning this possibility?

I addressed it very directly?

[Durga]

Hi I've watched like 5 hours of tennis today and now I'm feeling ill

[BesharamSabi]

VOTE COUNT VERSION 2.01

BobMcBob: (3) kgray, damo666, Maniac
celaph: (3) Hellenic Riot, BobMcBob, ghug
damo666: (2) DemonRHK, Jamiet99uk
Durga: (1) Chaqa
TheFlyingBoat: (1) Bonatogether

Nonvoters: bbozotheclown, businessLamp, celaph, Donny Dude, Durga, Vecna, goldfinger0303, rdrivera2005, TheFlyingBoat

Nonposters: celaph, Donny Dude, Vecna, rdrivera2005

NO ONE IS SET TO WALK THE PLANK

EOD IS IN 43 HOURS AND 40 MINUTES

Double Stuf Oreos are only 1.86 times as "stuf’ed" as classic Oreos

[Durga]

I think TFB scumslipped by +1ing this post.

Also reaally dislike the moving to TFB at the end, especially from RHK. Reeks of just trying to avoid responsibility.

I'll take the blame. I was on him. And if the post was 3 minutes earlier, maybe flum gets saved. But it wasn't, and I was wrong. I still belive most of the early wagon is town with the exception of camo.

I think this is town RHK.

I think this is scum celaph.

##vote celaph

[BesharamSabi]

I missed goldie vote, my bad