M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[TheFlyingBoat]

Well, Jamie is probably town at least. He's never really this passionate about being right over something so insignificant as scum

Insignificant?

Fluminator is literally claiming he should be treated as lock-town and that anyone voting for him must be scum, on the basis of a claimed "trust tell" that I have proven to be false.

How is this "insignificant" exactly?

Where did he say that anyone voting for him must be scum?

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[ghug]

What Fluminator is trying to do here is to claim that:

"I am town"
and
"I, the person with the username of Fluminator, am town"

...are two utterly different statements which have totally different meanings.

Clearly they are not since if Fluminator posts the first statement then it is explicitly the case that the "I" at the start of the sentence means that Fluminator is the subject of that sentence.

It's not about meanings, Jamie. He's claiming that he says the literal phrase "I am town" when and only when he is town.

[celaph]

As a scum who likes game theory and who already has seen support from multiple people for the trust tell being trustworthy, why not make a post full of pretty decent logic supporting a known town? It doesn't really have a downside.

What do you think of Durga for calling blamp town then? It strikes me as odd that your disagreement was ostensibly about her read, but you've couched the discussion in blamp's alignment.

I think I explained this, but in case it wasn't clear, I do largely take issue with durga's read. I think blamp's post is fine, but not really that hard to make as scum, and so I'm unwilling to call him "probably town" from that.

Glad were in agreement about blamp. To ask my question again, what do you think of Durga?

[TheFlyingBoat]

What Fluminator is trying to do here is to claim that:

"I am town"
and
"I, the person with the username of Fluminator, am town"

...are two utterly different statements which have totally different meanings.

Clearly they are not since if Fluminator posts the first statement then it is explicitly the case that the "I" at the start of the sentence means that Fluminator is the subject of that sentence.

It's not about meanings, Jamie. He's claiming that he says the literal phrase "I am town" when and only when he is town.

Except Flum has literally NEVER said the phrase "I am town" OR "im town" as he did in this game in ANY webDip Mafia game going back to M39 for the first and M50 for the latter.

[ghug]

FOR THE LOVE OF JEEBUS
I have posted documentary evidence of someone making a false claim, on the basis of which they were specifically asking everyone to trust them as lock-town.
If that is not a good reason to vote for someone I don't know what is.

SO WHY AREN'T ANY OF YOU VOTING FOR HIM???

Townies make incorrect statements constantly.... Like I'm not even disputing your facts anymore, I just don't see how this is so damning lol

If he just made a mistake, that would be one thing. But instead he is doubling down and insisting that I am wrong, in the face of very clear evidence.

Scum!Flum enjoys the thrill of the chase. In general I think that Flum is very competitive and he likes to win. He can't let himself back down here, and his pride demands that he stand up to me even though I am right about the falseness of his claim and I have proved it.

Flum has claimed scum D1 before so that he'll die earlier. You think he's hypercompetitive?

[celaph]

Ok caught up.

Rdr is town.

Blame probtown.

Jamie probtown.

No other particular reads.

Happy enough with my vote for now but ##unend as DL now posting.

Wrt to my (lack of) participation so far I run a pub poker game on Monday evenings. My Monday participation is always on the low side. I expect Bozo has a spreadsheet that can confirm this.

Just saw this message. Why I am town?

I like this from Rdr.

[Chaqa]

GM NOTE:

Vecna has replaced Foxcastle

Well well well

If it isn't Mister N1 death

inb4 scum!chaqa kills vecna n1

People are going to think we're doing scum theater again

[Durga]

Well, Jamie is probably town at least. He's never really this passionate about being right over something so insignificant as scum

This is not true. The time he decided to push that I (his scum teammate) had scumslipped is a good counterexample.

LOL - I said something so insignificant. Unless you think they might be scum together, which would be hilarious and would probably make flum quit webdip mafia forever

[Fluminator]

Townies make incorrect statements constantly.... Like I'm not even disputing your facts anymore, I just don't see how this is so damning lol

If he just made a mistake, that would be one thing. But instead he is doubling down and insisting that I am wrong, in the face of very clear evidence.

Scum!Flum enjoys the thrill of the chase. In general I think that Flum is very competitive and he likes to win. He can't let himself back down here, and his pride demands that he stand up to me even though I am right about the falseness of his claim and I have proved it.

Flum has claimed scum D1 before so that he'll die earlier. You think he's hypercompetitive?

Wasn't I the ghost role that game? I more did that because I was literally the ideal d1 miskill mechanically.

[ghug]

Flyingboat, this is perfectly in character for town Jamiet to get hung up on "kill all liars", but I kind of expected some deeper analysis from you ngl. lol

Y'all, if scum Jamie thinks he's caught a townie in an actual lie, of course he's gonna go all in on pushing that. I kinda get townreading him for the Foxcastle case, but not for this.

[ghug]

I really like this post. The comment about Bona is exactly what I am feeling about him.

And no, I am not buddying anyone.

Have you met Bona?

Personally obviously not. But I don´t think I have either met him outisde of webdip Mafia. Why?

He never blends as either alignment. I get why lamp would reach this conclusion, but not somebody who's played with him before.

[ghug]

Ghug should not be this silent on the Jamie/Flum stuff.

##vote ghug

Y'all don't know the amount of work I'm ignoring just to be as caught up as I am.

This is so painfully lazy when I'm obviously catching up that I can't believe you'd do it in good faith.

[celaph]

Okay so celaph comes in, asks five questions (two to me), likes my read, and then dips. No real thoughts or anything given. It's exactly what I expect tbh, except the shading kgray bit.

Which is odd, because why call out that of all things, and also it requires some considerable effort or close attention to actually realise that kgray had shaded chaqa in two earlier comments. Why pay so much attention to that and... basically nothing else? Certainly something to keep an eye on.

I paid attention to the rest of it as well, but for the most part people had already said what I was thinking. DL8 moved from null to townlean. RHK had a weird post calling out Damo and TFB. Blamp and kgray secured themselves spots to not die today. And Bona was normal Bona (that is to say observant, but not wise).

[ghug]

What Fluminator is trying to do here is to claim that:

"I am town"
and
"I, the person with the username of Fluminator, am town"

...are two utterly different statements which have totally different meanings.

Clearly they are not since if Fluminator posts the first statement then it is explicitly the case that the "I" at the start of the sentence means that Fluminator is the subject of that sentence.

It's not about meanings, Jamie. He's claiming that he says the literal phrase "I am town" when and only when he is town.

Except Flum has literally NEVER said the phrase "I am town" OR "im town" as he did in this game in ANY webDip Mafia game going back to M39 for the first and M50 for the latter.

Yeah, I got to that later.

Frankly, I don't really care. This vastly increases the chances of Flum dying today, and there's no way he didn't know that, so it's ultimately a townie action. Flum's a huge troll and doesn't care that much about his own life, at least as town, so it's possible he does it as scum, but the lie itself and the backtracking are not themselves scummy.

[kgray]

Ghug should not be this silent on the Jamie/Flum stuff.

##vote ghug

Y'all don't know the amount of work I'm ignoring just to be as caught up as I am.

This is so painfully lazy when I'm obviously catching up that I can't believe you'd do it in good faith.

Yeah it was pretty lazy but I wanted other opinions on the Flum thing. Turns out your reaction was basically the same as mine, so not very helpful.

[ghug]

Well, Jamie is probably town at least. He's never really this passionate about being right over something so insignificant as scum

This is not true. The time he decided to push that I (his scum teammate) had scumslipped is a good counterexample.

LOL - I said something so insignificant. Unless you think they might be scum together, which would be hilarious and would probably make flum quit webdip mafia forever

I wouldn't put it past him.

Jamie seizes on the insignificant, though, and to him, a lie is a lie. This is fully within his scum range, and is probably even a point in favor of his being scum.

[rdrivera2005]

Have you met Bona?

Personally obviously not. But I don´t think I have either met him outisde of webdip Mafia. Why?

He never blends as either alignment. I get why lamp would reach this conclusion, but not somebody who's played with him before.

I am not sure I agree with this comment, but I don´t remember that well when Bona was scum, but I tought he was more chaotic then pushy. But I think his takes this game are more likely to come from a town mindset then a scum one.

[Durga]

Okay I'm feeling good about ghug again.

[kgray]

I think bona's town this game but regardless I refuse to allow him to be the D1 kill.

[ghug]

I don't want to kill kgray, Flum, celaph, Durga, Lamp, Maniac, Vecna, Llama, HR, bozo, or boat today. Anyone else is fair game.