M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[DeathLlama8]

fwiw I also literally posted while I was lurking

[rdrivera2005]

This is my trust tell. (It's banned on mafiascum but not on webdip yet)
If you look at my two scum games on this site I never once posted I was town, while I regularly do in my town games.

Therefore, I activated my trust tell that I'm town and you can put me in as a lock.

Bozo gets it.

This statement is false. You have claimed to be town, as scum, before, and I can prove it. Here we go:

12. Fluminator
Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed (tm)

That post is from the previous game, M71, in which you were scum.

Lying twice. I have the copyright on 100% confirmed vanilla townie.

[Durga]

We should kill Chaqa because it would be funny

We should kill Chaqa if he is scum. Do you think he is scum?

Why are you taking that comment seriously

[Jamiet99uk]

Ladies and gentlemen, I must draw your attention to the fact that I have here, on the last few pages, provided proof, evidence, a smoking gun, which demonstrates that Fluminator was lying about his so-called "trust tell".

I encourage you all, young and old, large or small, to ##Vote Fluminator.

Jamie, since you wanted to know about my opinions of your arguments last time, I think your Fox case was much stronger than this Flum one.

I purport that I have proved that Fluminator's claim about his "trust tell" is false.

He said he never claims to be town, as scum.

I provided you with evidence of him describing himself as "Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed" in a game in which he was scum.

Thus I have disproved his claim.

Please explain to me how I am wrong.

[DeathLlama8]

I want to vote Damo but I've scumread Damo three games in a row already including (1) the game we were both mafia and (2) the game where I was in the God Thread and could see everyone's roles so I might just not know how to read Damo

Early fixation on my posts that he still scumreads but isn't trying to push, followed by some pretty weak votes/pressures

[Jamiet99uk]

I want to vote Damo but I've scumread Damo three games in a row already including (1) the game we were both mafia and (2) the game where I was in the God Thread and could see everyone's roles so I might just not know how to read Damo

Early fixation on my posts that he still scumreads but isn't trying to push, followed by some pretty weak votes/pressures

To be fair, your read in (1) was correct.

[Durga]

Well, Jamie is probably town at least. He's never really this passionate about being right over something so insignificant as scum

[Fluminator]

Now you are back-pedalling on your own words to try to escape.

What you said was "If you look at my two scum games on this site I never once posted I was town".

I provided specific proof of you, as scum, posting that you were town.

You didn't claim that your trust-tell was the specific use of the phrase "I am town". Your claim was that you never post that you are town, as scum.

I have proved that your claim was false.
Now you are trying to edit your claim.
I do not buy it.

The Jeff Kuta reference throwback should have been a hint to you that I wasn't even referring to myself there, much less the fact I didn't clarify "I am town" myself.

Posting a reads list in which you include your name and the words "Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed" is very clearly a claim that you are town.

It is not possible to present it as anything other than a claim to be town.

If you are filling in a form, and in the section marked "NAME" you write "Zachary Smith", then clearly this represents an assertion that your name is Zachary Smith. Likewise if you post a reads list and list yourself as "Town" then this is clearly a claim that you are town.

Ok I rechecked the post to see if I misremember and I am still correct. I literally insert two memes. One of Maniac's and one of Jeff Kuta's.

"Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed (tm)"
I'm roleplaying as Maniac and Jeff here, so I'm not saying I'm town here. I'm pretending to be one of them which is very different. If you have a problem with roleplaying, vote for DemonRHK

I never said that I "Fluminator" was town.

[kgray]

oh btw I think I townread Maniac. When he was scum in that multi/alien game he tried harder to blend in and engage in conversations to appear 'solvy' on D1, and his focus this game being on a single scumread is significantly different from that.

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, Jamie is probably town at least. He's never really this passionate about being right over something so insignificant as scum

Insignificant?

Fluminator is literally claiming he should be treated as lock-town and that anyone voting for him must be scum, on the basis of a claimed "trust tell" that I have proven to be false.

How is this "insignificant" exactly?

[Maniac]

Urgh, posting again to correct the quote-box error.



This statement is false. You have claimed to be town, as scum, before, and I can prove it. Here we go:



That post is from the previous game, M71, in which you were scum.

I didn't say "I am town"
I just said the words "town".

Now you are back-pedalling on your own words to try to escape.

What you said was "If you look at my two scum games on this site I never once posted I was town".

I provided specific proof of you, as scum, posting that you were town.

You didn't claim that your trust-tell was the specific use of the phrase "I am town". Your claim was that you never post that you are town, as scum.

I have proved that your claim was false.
Now you are trying to edit your claim.
I do not buy it.

Jamie is absolutely right here, Flum is lying about his truth tell. But why did Flum make a big deal out of his so called truth-tell so early when he was under no pressure at all. Jamie is right to call Flum out and put his truth-tell to bed for this game and others, but it doesn't really point to Flum being scum.

[kgray]

Ladies and gentlemen, I must draw your attention to the fact that I have here, on the last few pages, provided proof, evidence, a smoking gun, which demonstrates that Fluminator was lying about his so-called "trust tell".

I encourage you all, young and old, large or small, to ##Vote Fluminator.

Jamie, since you wanted to know about my opinions of your arguments last time, I think your Fox case was much stronger than this Flum one.

I purport that I have proved that Fluminator's claim about his "trust tell" is false.

He said he never claims to be town, as scum.

I provided you with evidence of him describing himself as "Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed" in a game in which he was scum.

Thus I have disproved his claim.

Please explain to me how I am wrong.

I don't think you're wrong in what he said, but he's explained that he didn't say the exact phrase "I am town" as scum.

If Flum is scum, why does he do this without double checking?

[Jamiet99uk]

Posting a reads list in which you include your name and the words "Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed" is very clearly a claim that you are town.

It is not possible to present it as anything other than a claim to be town.

If you are filling in a form, and in the section marked "NAME" you write "Zachary Smith", then clearly this represents an assertion that your name is Zachary Smith. Likewise if you post a reads list and list yourself as "Town" then this is clearly a claim that you are town.

Ok I rechecked the post to see if I misremember and I am still correct. I literally insert two memes. One of Maniac's and one of Jeff Kuta's.

"Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed (tm)"
I'm roleplaying as Maniac and Jeff here, so I'm not saying I'm town here. I'm pretending to be one of them which is very different. If you have a problem with roleplaying, vote for DemonRHK

I never said that I "Fluminator" was town.

Now you are just outright lying.

You wrote your name. "Fluminator" immediately above the words:
"Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed (tm)"

It was presented as a list of the 18 players in the game and your reads on them. There was nothing to indicate that you were "roleplaying" and that is a ridiculous excuse to insert at this point.

[kgray]

Well, Jamie is probably town at least. He's never really this passionate about being right over something so insignificant as scum

Insignificant?

Fluminator is literally claiming he should be treated as lock-town and that anyone voting for him must be scum, on the basis of a claimed "trust tell" that I have proven to be false.

How is this "insignificant" exactly?

Where did he say anybody voting him must be scum?

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie, since you wanted to know about my opinions of your arguments last time, I think your Fox case was much stronger than this Flum one.

I purport that I have proved that Fluminator's claim about his "trust tell" is false.

He said he never claims to be town, as scum.

I provided you with evidence of him describing himself as "Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed" in a game in which he was scum.

Thus I have disproved his claim.

Please explain to me how I am wrong.

I don't think you're wrong in what he said, but he's explained that he didn't say the exact phrase "I am town" as scum.

If Flum is scum, why does he do this without double checking?

Perhaps he simply thought that if he made such a bold claim, nobody would think it was worth checking. Note that he made his claim on page 20 and it wasn't until page 39 when anyone actually went back to his scum games and checked.

[TheFlyingBoat]

I will say, I think Durga's movement (not just her vote, but the implied quid pro quo to kgray (the implicit offer to switch off celaph in exchange for both jumping on me knowing kgray's love for celaph) to get her to stop the Fox train as it was building momentum does lend further credence to Jamie's case against Fox and does bring those two further together in my book. Jamie is also my top town read by a mile now

[Fluminator]

Well, Jamie is probably town at least. He's never really this passionate about being right over something so insignificant as scum

Insignificant?

Fluminator is literally claiming he should be treated as lock-town and that anyone voting for him must be scum, on the basis of a claimed "trust tell" that I have proven to be false.

How is this "insignificant" exactly?

Where did he say anybody voting him must be scum?

I implied Chaqa was tbf

[Jamiet99uk]

Well, Jamie is probably town at least. He's never really this passionate about being right over something so insignificant as scum

Insignificant?

Fluminator is literally claiming he should be treated as lock-town and that anyone voting for him must be scum, on the basis of a claimed "trust tell" that I have proven to be false.

How is this "insignificant" exactly?

Where did he say anybody voting him must be scum?

In his response to Chaqa voting for him. Page 37.

[kgray]

I purport that I have proved that Fluminator's claim about his "trust tell" is false.

He said he never claims to be town, as scum.

I provided you with evidence of him describing himself as "Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed" in a game in which he was scum.

Thus I have disproved his claim.

Please explain to me how I am wrong.

I don't think you're wrong in what he said, but he's explained that he didn't say the exact phrase "I am town" as scum.

If Flum is scum, why does he do this without double checking?

Perhaps he simply thought that if he made such a bold claim, nobody would think it was worth checking. Note that he made his claim on page 20 and it wasn't until page 39 when anyone actually went back to his scum games and checked.

Can you respond to the part where he clarified that his 'tell' was "I am town"?

I think you think you've caught him in a lie but really you're just talking about two different things.

[Fluminator]

I purport that I have proved that Fluminator's claim about his "trust tell" is false.

He said he never claims to be town, as scum.

I provided you with evidence of him describing himself as "Town. Handsome. 100% Vanilla Townie Confirmed" in a game in which he was scum.

Thus I have disproved his claim.

Please explain to me how I am wrong.

I don't think you're wrong in what he said, but he's explained that he didn't say the exact phrase "I am town" as scum.

If Flum is scum, why does he do this without double checking?

Perhaps he simply thought that if he made such a bold claim, nobody would think it was worth checking. Note that he made his claim on page 20 and it wasn't until page 39 when anyone actually went back to his scum games and checked.

What's your take on Donny Dude checking and giving me a pass then?

I don't remember

That's alright, Checking full length games, you do only say you are town when are you are town as far as I can tell.
I will take your word for it then that you are town.