MAFIA 71: "PAPERS PLEASE" - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[ghug]

Funny thought:

Have you ever considered the scum teams may be dodging the "obvious" shots to avoid duplication?

Is this a response to rd saying it'd be suspicious if you lived to day 4?

[ghug]

Why?

because you probably felt threatened by her continued existence given she almost got you eliminated

I guess in my head ghug lead that. Him coming on brought durga and squiggs back.

Is that why you're incentivized to kill me now?

Why do you think the whole team voted together?

[ghug]

the sun is up, I think I'm going to bed now.

see y'all in a good couple hours.

You never told me what happened to your overnight catch-up.

[Squigs44]

so sabi
squiggs

you both dont see durga as scum with flying boat or with fox?

TFB could be. I don't really see Fox though

[Foxcastle]

I think the person who would take the time to write that kind of pompous exit note could definitely try to throw in a fake town tell to make town look dumb for his own selfish amusement.

That said, I have generally been townreading snowy, but if he's scum, it's a huge problem that he's kind of in running as town leader at this point.

You think snowy is leading the town?

He is in the running for it, I said. He has more influence on the thread than any other individual player, as far as I can tell, though not being more strongly townread limits what he can demand.

[brainbomb]

At least two people say im holding back or that im not angry enough ; something along those lines.

Im a dad now; I dont get worked up about if a few people on a diplomacy forum wanna assume stuff about me

[brainbomb]

priorities fam

[bozotheclown]

Good morning sunshine,

I'm not gming today so you all have 100% of my attention now. I'm going to go reread and also catch up.

A quick skim shows brain bomb is still stuck on me. Just keep rereading me and also make a solid case for me. I'm not going to try to stop you with that.

I will change my vote from brainbomb back to snowy who I feel is the most likely scum.

I do find it odd that both macca and lfischl have gone super quiet so far. Where are tho?

Bozo question: I dunno how to do scum pairings.

##VOTE snowy

Can you provide your top 5 scum reads then?

[bozotheclown]

Since the mafia have the advantage of being able to legitimately look for scum, I think it would be a good idea to force the scum to go on record with their reads for the remaining 5 scum slots. I would like everyone to state their best guess, and you can update it whenever you want. Please participate, maximum participation will force the scum to fabricate some reads.
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How's that?

You seem to be implying I am fabricating scum reads and am therefore scum, but as has been repeatedly pointed out, the mafia do not have to do that this game.

I believe I know what you are pointing out, but that means for ghug to suggest I am fabricating my theory on him, lfischl, and snowy, he must think my other reads are authentic, and he gave no indication that this is what he meant.

[BesharamSabi]

Folks I have done the durga reread,

hold the applause please and thank you!

If I die, don't kill Foxcastle

Very odd because earlier in her post she also wanted flum to not die. kinda weird that she dropped flum.

(http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 70#p278470)

Snowy why aren't you responding to my @s? I miss you

GM NOTE:

Reminder of Rule 05: Players should not be messaging each other about the game, in any way whatsoever, outside of sanctioned threads / spaces.

I assume you are not doing that but just to clarify; thanks.

Okay but was there really a reason to GM slip that snowy and I aren't scum together

Very odd word choice here. "arent scum together" instead of saying we aren't scum. I guess this was a scumslip???

Snowy why aren't you responding to my @s? I miss you

GM NOTE:

Reminder of Rule 05: Players should not be messaging each other about the game, in any way whatsoever, outside of sanctioned threads / spaces.

I assume you are not doing that but just to clarify; thanks.

Okay but was there really a reason to GM slip that snowy and I aren't scum together

This feels like her telling her teammates her wagon. Is there a way to figure out who switch votes from that point on from peter bot or do i need to manually search the pages and make a note for everyone that switched when she announced this?

[BesharamSabi]

Ok time for me to catch up on everyone's post time (but this time in parts because long wall of quotes)

Well that makes two games in a row where I've been pocketed by a mafia member because we mindmelded. Next time I play I'll know what to look for I guess

hi squigs

why do you think mafia in two games have pocketed you? do you think its based off how you play or your general vibes?

yea so interestingly enough macca is never on durgas scumteam

hi Brain bomb

why do you think macca is never on durgas scum team?

I'll be around more tomorrow, but I think there's a good shot Meme was Durga's partner, and it explains why she was so frustrated with him.

hi flum,

why do you think this? does scum durga have a meta of openly bussing her teammates on day 1?

Like you think there's layers of WIFOM in that kgray kill?

Yeah. The kgray kill seemed odd since I expected scum to shoot at other scum and I think kgray was pretty widely townread

Damos theory on mafia focusing on people who aren't likely to be daykilled seems like a plausible assumption. They can eliminate enemy mafia who look scummy through day kills, so looking for enemy mafia who might outlive them is their real threat, no?

" so looking for enemy mafia who might outlive them is their real threat, no?"

what did you mean by this, squiggs?

[Tom Bombadil]

Your analysis of Durga seems to not draw any conclusions. If you have conclusions can you make those clear?

Regarding your question, just find the next vote after Durga made that statement and then use the grid that tracks all votes to see every vote after that point in order.

[Tom Bombadil]

Who townreads brain and can you explain why?

[Fluminator]

Durga didn't actually do too many strong pushes that would result in a scum team obviously want to kill her. She talked a lot about how she wanted people who were less active dead so I could see the other scum team having less active players.

I also think this means at least one of Durga's teammates is relatively active.

Flum can you explain this line of reasoning?

If you check her ISO she talks a lot about how lower posters should be killed. I don't think she'd be pressing that if both her partners were under the radar because if that narrative gets traction she's just making things harder on them all.

[Fluminator]

Macca idgaf attitude is good vibes

Interesting interactions with Macca if you search their name in Durga's iso. She does a complete 180 on townreading Macca to scumreading them.

That's actually quite scummy. I could see Macca noticing that and wanting to nightkill her for that.
It could also be she forgot her read on teammate Macca but I think that's less likely.

Do you really think Macca would be deciding the NKs in a Mafia team?

I think they'd mention it and would naturally push the team that direction.

[Fluminator]

to be clear I beleive eden coached sabi into her townslip
and I beleive sabi is scum
and eden was scum
which makes you scum
and durga was scum with eden and sabi
sabi is scum with you
so thats the team for kalachia

Have you ever actually seen a time when scum openly coached another scum?

[Fluminator]

Reminder to send nice messages to god qt

Or god discord now I guess, wow that's going to be weird

If you tell me what you sent you might get a lot of town points

[Fluminator]

Do people voting Ghug think he is scum with Durga?

I do

Do you think we should keep hunting that team or do you also worry about the other?

[Fluminator]

Ok time for me to catch up on everyone's post time (but this time in parts because long wall of quotes)

Well that makes two games in a row where I've been pocketed by a mafia member because we mindmelded. Next time I play I'll know what to look for I guess

hi squigs

why do you think mafia in two games have pocketed you? do you think its based off how you play or your general vibes?

yea so interestingly enough macca is never on durgas scumteam

hi Brain bomb

why do you think macca is never on durgas scum team?

I'll be around more tomorrow, but I think there's a good shot Meme was Durga's partner, and it explains why she was so frustrated with him.

hi flum,

why do you think this? does scum durga have a meta of openly bussing her teammates on day 1?

Yeah. The kgray kill seemed odd since I expected scum to shoot at other scum and I think kgray was pretty widely townread

Damos theory on mafia focusing on people who aren't likely to be daykilled seems like a plausible assumption. They can eliminate enemy mafia who look scummy through day kills, so looking for enemy mafia who might outlive them is their real threat, no?

" so looking for enemy mafia who might outlive them is their real threat, no?"

what did you mean by this, squiggs?

I don't think Durga likes bussing but I've seen her do it before. (Rip summit)
That said, theres a difference between bussing and distancing.

[Fluminator]

I'm currently locked in a room to see if I have covid before fam party time for Christmas. If I never post again it was a trap.