MAFIA 71: "PAPERS PLEASE" - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[BesharamSabi]

Sabi, in your overnight reads list, you had:
2 null-scum
8 null
6 null-town

Given that there are 6 scum, then assuming your two null scum reads are indeed scum, 4 of your null reads would also be scum (or null-town reads).

If you were surprised Durga was scum and you listed her as null, who would NOT surprise you if they flipped scum? If your reads are true and your surprise is genuine, then you have a very inaccurate view of the gamestate right now

Hi Squigs,

I think my friendship with durga probably played into the fact I didn't think she would ever be scum. Out of the nulls, I probably had here in bottom half of expecting that from her.

who would NOT surprise you if they flipped scum

Well I mean I won't bring up snowy again for the 50th time. I think bozo or lfischl would not surprise me if they flipped to scum at this point. Both were [null-null] rated.

If I go by [null-town] rated I would be not surprise by Flum flipping scum. I am coming around to a few of yalls theorys on him. Durga being frustrated by his play seems like a teammate that was mad.

how has bozo changed for you since N1 when you wrote this

Sidenote, wow I was right about Flum.

Back to the topic:

No. Still getting scum vibes from bozo. Still think it bozo and damo.

[brainbomb]

I think you are correct that it is bozo and damo.
mostly because on rereads bozo is barely ever mentioned by durga or flum and it feels like bozo could be the kalech mafia

the ezic mafia still feels like damo given that bozo has pretty much pinpointed him

[brainbomb]

vote damo with me sabi.

[bozotheclown]

Thanks for the summary, BB.

Seems like there is very little pressure on Sabi atm. Take it that means that there is a general townread consensus on them. Lines up with my initial impressions of their D5.

Kinda sad not getting pressured tbh. Where is someone like Bona when you need him?

There are 2 mafia left, and I suspect BesharamSabi is the second, despite the fact they have done a very good job getting town read this game.

It's not me. Bozo you have also played with me in four games. Is there anything off with my behavior or posting? The whole case on me being scum was brainbomb theory that eden, who he thought was scum, was coaching me. A scum coaching scum.

Yes my activity dipped but if you follow along my real life stuff it matches my engagement.

I agree that you have not seemed different than the other games I have played with you, however, I have never seen you play as mafia, so I have no information on how well you would be able to duplicate your town style. I suspect that you would be able to do it well.

The primary reason I suspect you are one the remaining mafia in POE, since I now know there are 2 mafia in a pool of 3. As for specific reasons, I am not convinced you would think the 2 mafia teams would know each others identities, even having never play a 2 team mafia game before. Also, you seemed to get unnecessarily defensive when I asked at the start of the game how you knew captainmeme.

[BesharamSabi]

There are 2 mafia left, and I suspect BesharamSabi is the second, despite the fact they have done a very good job getting town read this game.

It's not me. Bozo you have also played with me in four games. Is there anything off with my behavior or posting? The whole case on me being scum was brainbomb theory that eden, who he thought was scum, was coaching me. A scum coaching scum.

Yes my activity dipped but if you follow along my real life stuff it matches my engagement.

I agree that you have not seemed different than the other games I have played with you, however, I have never seen you play as mafia, so I have no information on how well you would be able to duplicate your town style. I suspect that you would be able to do it well.

The primary reason I suspect you are one the remaining mafia in POE, since I now know there are 2 mafia in a pool of 3. As for specific reasons, I am not convinced you would think the 2 mafia teams would know each others identities, even having never play a 2 team mafia game before. Also, you seemed to get unnecessarily defensive when I asked at the start of the game how you knew captainmeme.

Because captainmeme is my friend. And you do that every game when I am overly familiar with someone. You are always surprise when I'm friends with people outside of mafia since I don't play diplomacy games on webdip.

Anyway before you think it's sus that I was excited about meme, here I am in sign ups before the game even started, excited to see him signed up

viewtopic.php?p=276738#p276738

I have friends

Well I think I do have friends. I might not have them anymore. I dunno.

[BesharamSabi]

I was also gming and assisting meme's virtual ftf tournament during mafia time.

[BesharamSabi]

vote damo with me sabi.

Fine ##VOTE damo

[brainbomb]

what is j’-accusing?
is this some term only ghug and eden use when arguing with each other?

[Jamiet99uk]

==== MINISTRY of ADMINISTRATION ====
+++++++ VOTE COUNT #5.6 +++++++

Damo666 (5) - bozotheclown, brainbomb(END), Celaph, TheFlyingBoat, Besharamsabi
Bozotheclown (1) - damo666

DAMO is scheduled to be taken away.

6 hours and 23 minutes remain in Day 5.

[bozotheclown]

It's not me. Bozo you have also played with me in four games. Is there anything off with my behavior or posting? The whole case on me being scum was brainbomb theory that eden, who he thought was scum, was coaching me. A scum coaching scum.

Yes my activity dipped but if you follow along my real life stuff it matches my engagement.

I agree that you have not seemed different than the other games I have played with you, however, I have never seen you play as mafia, so I have no information on how well you would be able to duplicate your town style. I suspect that you would be able to do it well.

The primary reason I suspect you are one the remaining mafia in POE, since I now know there are 2 mafia in a pool of 3. As for specific reasons, I am not convinced you would think the 2 mafia teams would know each others identities, even having never play a 2 team mafia game before. Also, you seemed to get unnecessarily defensive when I asked at the start of the game how you knew captainmeme.

Because captainmeme is my friend. And you do that every game when I am overly familiar with someone. You are always surprise when I'm friends with people outside of mafia since I don't play diplomacy games on webdip.

Anyway before you think it's sus that I was excited about meme, here I am in sign ups before the game even started, excited to see him signed up

viewtopic.php?p=276738#p276738

I have friends

Well I think I do have friends. I might not have them anymore. I dunno.

I never meant to imply I was surprised you have friends outside of mafia. I assumed you had connections that brought you to webDip mafia in the first place.

[bozotheclown]

what is j’-accusing?
is this some term only ghug and eden use when arguing with each other?

Apparently it's common use dates back to 1898.

[brainbomb]

so another instance where pomposity and eloquence trumps real talk. all this punctuation banter on webdip. this isnt a fuckin dip game; shove it up your or youre or yer ass lol

[brainbomb]

nothing is more cumbersome or irksome than people who care about writing perfect posts.

[brainbomb]

damo scum games
M41 civ 6 mafia
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=41&user=damo666

m55
damo was mafia hooker
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=55&user=damo666


m61
damo as mafia
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=61&user=damo666

[brainbomb]

M61

Possible scumteams from mpov listed under possible FH combos with original team to left space recruit space issues

1. Both FH are town
a) FV is town
M C R B chaqa 'proving' D is town
b) FV is scum
M D C/R B/C/R

2. 1 town FH 1 scum FH (then Fv either town or if scum ONT (Bunny) is town
a) FV town
K/J C R B chaqa 'proving' darg is town
b) FV scum
K/J C R D
K/J C D R
K/J D R C

3. Both FH are scum (assuming 1 purchased (J) and 1 recruited (K))

J + 2 of DCR K

Appearances

M 5
C 13
R 14
B 5
D 12
K 7
J 7

Conclusion we must vote from R C or D. There has to be least 2 scum in there, possibly 3.

M71

If we assume

a) Fox is cop
b) Capt is miller
c) Roleblocked brain cannot be Kolechian

we are left with the following with those italicised implying bussing:

Bes Dur Flu
Boz Dur Flu
Dur Flu Sq​u
Dur Flu The
​Dam Dur Flu
Dur Flu Mac
​ Dur Flu Rdr

Sabi seems so obviously town the last remaining Kolechian is probably Bozo or Squigs

Bes Bra Ghu
Bes​ Dam Ghu
Bes Ghu Mac
Bes Ghu Squ
Bes Ghu Rd​r
Bra Dam Ghu
Bra Ghu Mac
​ Bra Ghu Squ
Bra Ghu Rdr
Da​m Ghu Mac
Dam Ghu Rdr
Ghu Mac Rdr
Ghu Squ R​dr
Bes Boz Ghu
Bes Ghu The
​ Boz Bra Ghu
Boz Dam Ghu
Boz Ghu Mac
Boz Ghu Squ
​ Boz Ghu Rdr
Dam Ghu Squ
Dam Ghu The
Ghu Mac The
​ Ghu Rdr The
Boz Ghu The
​Bra Ghu The
Ghu Mac Squ
Ghu Squ The


​ If Squigs is Koechian and assuming Sabi is town the only partners ghug can have without bussing is brain and rdr.

If Bozo is Kolechian possible non bussing E teams are excluding Sabi are

brain and rdr
brain and squigs
squigs and rdr

I suggest we kill Squigs and

if he is Ezic then kill Bozo
if he is Kolechian then kill brain
if he is town apologise and kill Bozo

##vote Squigs

M55

16 4 1

or

16 3 2

or

16 3 1 1

How does a 3p faction differ from a scum faction?

Theres always some bizarro math equation damo uses to look solvy when hes scum.

M41

OK this is where I'm at.

Bozo - getting townier ##unvote

CrimsonFox - assume Mason in absence of cc

damo666 - town

darg - null

demonRHk - immune today but a bit suss. Was fight with LQ engineered.

FoxC - highly suspicious but just might be town doc

Jamiet - I no longer suspect him as SK. Probtown

LordQuas - I don't like the tone of his posts. Scum or SK?

Flash - null

Neph - strongly townlean

Durga - null

Worcej - null (quieter than usual - poss SK?)

Assuming 2 of FoxC, demonmRHK, LordQ are scum/SK then 3 out of my 4 nulls must be scum/SK

##vote LordQuas

If this wagon does not take off I will switch.

[brainbomb]

when damo is town his lists are less math heavy and more detail oriented.

Reason for omissions

Bozo timing of Chaqa vote
Durga ditto
EMC ditto
Summit ditto
TrPrado ditto
Worcej Self Vote
Hamilton Chaqa and ghug's votes D2

rdr/Bob D1&D3 voting
rdr/Fox current vote status
Fox/seth ditto

[TheFlyingBoat]

M61

Possible scumteams from mpov listed under possible FH combos with original team to left space recruit space issues

1. Both FH are town
a) FV is town
M C R B chaqa 'proving' D is town
b) FV is scum
M D C/R B/C/R

2. 1 town FH 1 scum FH (then Fv either town or if scum ONT (Bunny) is town
a) FV town
K/J C R B chaqa 'proving' darg is town
b) FV scum
K/J C R D
K/J C D R
K/J D R C

3. Both FH are scum (assuming 1 purchased (J) and 1 recruited (K))

J + 2 of DCR K

Appearances

M 5
C 13
R 14
B 5
D 12
K 7
J 7

Conclusion we must vote from R C or D. There has to be least 2 scum in there, possibly 3.

M71

If we assume

a) Fox is cop
b) Capt is miller
c) Roleblocked brain cannot be Kolechian

we are left with the following with those italicised implying bussing:

Bes Dur Flu
Boz Dur Flu
Dur Flu Sq​u
Dur Flu The
​Dam Dur Flu
Dur Flu Mac
​ Dur Flu Rdr

Sabi seems so obviously town the last remaining Kolechian is probably Bozo or Squigs

Bes Bra Ghu
Bes​ Dam Ghu
Bes Ghu Mac
Bes Ghu Squ
Bes Ghu Rd​r
Bra Dam Ghu
Bra Ghu Mac
​ Bra Ghu Squ
Bra Ghu Rdr
Da​m Ghu Mac
Dam Ghu Rdr
Ghu Mac Rdr
Ghu Squ R​dr
Bes Boz Ghu
Bes Ghu The
​ Boz Bra Ghu
Boz Dam Ghu
Boz Ghu Mac
Boz Ghu Squ
​ Boz Ghu Rdr
Dam Ghu Squ
Dam Ghu The
Ghu Mac The
​ Ghu Rdr The
Boz Ghu The
​Bra Ghu The
Ghu Mac Squ
Ghu Squ The


​ If Squigs is Koechian and assuming Sabi is town the only partners ghug can have without bussing is brain and rdr.

If Bozo is Kolechian possible non bussing E teams are excluding Sabi are

brain and rdr
brain and squigs
squigs and rdr

I suggest we kill Squigs and

if he is Ezic then kill Bozo
if he is Kolechian then kill brain
if he is town apologise and kill Bozo

##vote Squigs

M55

16 4 1

or

16 3 2

or

16 3 1 1

How does a 3p faction differ from a scum faction?

Theres always some bizarro math equation damo uses to look solvy when hes scum.

M41

OK this is where I'm at.

Bozo - getting townier ##unvote

CrimsonFox - assume Mason in absence of cc

damo666 - town

darg - null

demonRHk - immune today but a bit suss. Was fight with LQ engineered.

FoxC - highly suspicious but just might be town doc

Jamiet - I no longer suspect him as SK. Probtown

LordQuas - I don't like the tone of his posts. Scum or SK?

Flash - null

Neph - strongly townlean

Durga - null

Worcej - null (quieter than usual - poss SK?)

Assuming 2 of FoxC, demonmRHK, LordQ are scum/SK then 3 out of my 4 nulls must be scum/SK

##vote LordQuas

If this wagon does not take off I will switch.

Was he scum in 41? I don't think it's that bad, though I'm of course reading this entirely without context. The others are noteworthy.

[TheFlyingBoat]

One of the weirdest deaths to me was rdr's. What did he do all game that was memorable and warranted a target more than other people that day? If they were going for dangerous town folk I think there would be people higher up on the list than him. He had to have been going after someone in an increasingly aggressive fashion that caused some degree of fear. Originally my view was that it was Macca feeling the heat, but given everything else that happened(aka total bs) we know now that Macca was the most anti town town ever and can rule that out. The other major target for rdr was damo.

There are four possibilities here in my view. Either rdr was killed to frame damo, the dude died as part of a wild doctor shot, they just wanted to kill someone unsuspicious, or damo killed him. I think we can rule out the former almost entirely given that rdr was only mentioned 9 times after his death, a couple were expressing condolences for his death while the rest were about my scan of him. Only brain even discussed the meaning of his death ever, at all, and did so once before everyone moved on without discussing it. I can understand whoever scum is letting it sit through D4 but surely anyone who wanted damo dead to secure a scum win would have brought it up by now?

As for being the doctor, did rdr give any indication he was the doctor? Nothing about his play seemed that off to me. As for the killing the town read, surely the N3 kill was premature given how much more time there was in the game, that there were outed PRS, and the predictable activity comments that would be sure to rise.

But if you look at this comments in N3, the guy had drawn a bead on damo and wanted him dead.

Let's just recap Day 3. Fox claimed scan on meme, everyone piled on meme. Brain and Fox put out these arguments for meme potentially being town and damo accepts it at face value without commenting and starts wagoning with the sole purpose of finding Kolechian scum. If damo isn't opportunistic Ezic, I'm not sure what he is.

+1

I would not rule out Brain being Ezic, but Damo seems more likely. Maybe Bozo shoot him to at least end second lol.

At least for Durga did she bus you that hard? I mean she joined an early wagon with ghug but she basically argued that I should give up my wagon on you because it was going nowhere and jumped off of you with plenty of time to spare to move onto meme. Now to be fair at no point did she vote for Flum, so maybe she doesn't ever touch scum partners day 1 in meaningless votes, but somehow I doubt that and would need to look at past games to confirm. I'll probably do that later tonight my time.

This doesn't make sense. If Damo is Ezic Durga wasn't bussing him because she was Kolechian. Damo is just fabricating an argument, just not sure if it's towny or scummy.

Anyway, I will miss EON.

In case I die, which I find pretty not likely with PRs in the out and with the level of shading people are doing on me, but who knows. Please try to be objective.

Don´t follow Damo´s assumptions. Look at intention, look at votes, now "townslips" or "X will never buss" or bullshit like that. Also, if there is another scum dead tonight, I think a massclaim is probably the bast call for tomorrow.

If I die, kill the scummiest people (at this moment, its´s Damo to me). Don´t let Sabi be alive at milo/lilo. What all scum want is someone like them at the end and whoever start defending them is probably the last scum.

Peace.

These quotes could be good reason for damo not to go PR hunting and to instead take out a big threat to him.

Oh right, one thing that is fairly obvious but was left unsaid was that this kill was made by one person without input from any other teammates and would be the only kill made by a lone wolf to not hit a PR this game (and yes I know that Squigs was not an outed PR but he gave off really weird vibes, much like Fox did). I really think Damo is one of the remaining two scum members. I do like Bozo as the Kolechian Goon which jives with my vanilla scan on him.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Snip
M41

OK this is where I'm at.

Bozo - getting townier ##unvote

CrimsonFox - assume Mason in absence of cc

damo666 - town

darg - null

demonRHk - immune today but a bit suss. Was fight with LQ engineered.

FoxC - highly suspicious but just might be town doc

Jamiet - I no longer suspect him as SK. Probtown

LordQuas - I don't like the tone of his posts. Scum or SK?

Flash - null

Neph - strongly townlean

Durga - null

Worcej - null (quieter than usual - poss SK?)

Assuming 2 of FoxC, demonmRHK, LordQ are scum/SK then 3 out of my 4 nulls must be scum/SK

##vote LordQuas

If this wagon does not take off I will switch.

Was he scum in 41? I don't think it's that bad, though I'm of course reading this entirely without context. The others are noteworthy.

Jesus I'm tired I can't read. While 41 was a scum game all things considered I don't think it was that bad but the others do show a pretty clear trend.

[brainbomb]

and maybe this is just some trick he didnt realize he was using as scum but I cant find it as pronounced when he is town