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DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:26 pm

ghug, why do you think scum!darg switches from bozo to you at that point in d3? (also, why else do you think darg is scum? you haven't really been pushing him given that it's KILO)

Believe it or not, I'm busy too.

His vote for me showed clear interest in his image, which I think betrayed an honest feeling even if it wasn't the image issue he said it was. He may have suspected bozo would die anyway and not wanted to dirty his hands, or he may have wanted to maintain the possibility of a counterwagon that wasn't himself.

The rest of it, as I've laid out a couple times:
- It's really difficult to envision a scumteam without him.
- He's not commiting himself to reads outside of me.
- He's playing lazily. Examples include moving bozo up his scumreads without justification yesterday when it became clear they were the wagons, telling us he scumread bo in his post a few hours ago, not working to make any impact on the view day two.
-He just fucking threw a second endvote down at KILO.

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:29 am

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:13 pm

There's just a je ne sais quoi to scum damo they I'm not seeing here. I see a legitimate attempt to solve the game that's not there when he's scum.

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:01 am

Yeah, damo just feels town.

it's day four lmao

?

BesharamSabi wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:08 am

Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:17 am

Something very strange about yesterday was this sequence of things:

1. I said I suspected Bona.
2. I voted for Bona.
3. Bona responded to my post indicating suspicion of him and said "then vote me lol".
4. Two people pointed out to Bona that I actually was already voting him when he'd said that.
5. Bona continued posting. He made 18 posts in D3 after the one where he said "Vote me lol" to me. In NONE of those 18 posts did he mention me, respond to my vote, or make any reference whatsoever to acknowledge that he'd even seen it. He totally avoided me.

This is very odd.

Just wanted to re emphasize this post that might have gotten lost in everyone catching up.

Seems like solid analysis on Bona and his weirdness that even I can't explain away.

Bona what's up with all of this? I'm sorry if you already answered this. I am still catching up.

there's no real analysis of my supposed weirdness. as i see things, i'm in line with my other play?

damo666 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:36 pm

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:50 pm

what are the odds everyone is town?

##vote ghug though

nil

you think?

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:12 pm

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:33 pm

I townlean damo, sabi, and DL.
I scumlean ghug, and scum lean squiggles (mostly the overemphasis on the team stuff. Which I acknowledge is odd because damo also is doing a lot of that. I’m still thinking about that.) I am null on DL. Partially because I don’t know them. He is reasonable, and does not seem to be overstating confidence.

???

(also I've been looking at team stuff too fwiw)

yeah, this feels bad

##vote darg

the endvote is what really did it for me

darg is smart enough to know to not do that

i'm probably going to switch cause i really have no idea

i don't have any bearings in this game. nothing seems right

ghug wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:11 pm

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:03 pm

I dont like darg voting end after damo already had an end vote

Yeah, it felt a lot like scum knowing they needed one townie to vote end and trying to jump on it once they got that.

It doesn't look good for darg regardless of your alignment

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:15 pm

idk what the lack of ghug defense / no extension (did anyone vote against that?) means though

Last time I played against scum ghug, he openly controlled the game and was fine being voted out since his two teammates were hidden well. This game feels almost the exact same - if ghug is scum his team is probably well hidden and don't need to save him to win

No extension is good for mafia regardless of who is on that team

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:12 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:11 pm

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:03 pm

I dont like darg voting end after damo already had an end vote

Yeah, it felt a lot like scum knowing they needed one townie to vote end and trying to jump on it once they got that.

It doesn't look good for darg regardless of your alignment

Yeah... I saw an end vote on my top scum, and hoped it would solve my timing issues. I agree it was thoughtless and careless.

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:50 pm

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:29 am

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:13 pm

There's just a je ne sais quoi to scum damo they I'm not seeing here. I see a legitimate attempt to solve the game that's not there when he's scum.

Bonatogether wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:01 am

Yeah, damo just feels town.

it's day four lmao

?

it's probably not something there's time to rethink today, but none of the townreads on damo really relate to specific things he's done this game and I think we have to reconsider that if we survive today

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:15 pm

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:15 pm

idk what the lack of ghug defense / no extension (did anyone vote against that?) means though

Last time I played against scum ghug, he openly controlled the game and was fine being voted out since his two teammates were hidden well. This game feels almost the exact same - if ghug is scum his team is probably well hidden and don't need to save him to win

No extension is good for mafia regardless of who is on that team

it's less about ghug's reaction for me and more about the lack of actual defense of ghug from his teammates if he's scum. like the wagon kinda reminds me of the bozo wagon

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:36 pm

squigs, why do you actually scumread ghug?

I'm awful at trying to read ghugs alignment based on individual posts or interactions partially because ghugs individual posts look so similar as town or scum. So my scumread on him is mostly based on his playstyle (avoiding contention, not pushing as hard as I would expect, floating between wagons) given the game state. I think town ghug tries to create more information through his pushes. Someone said they scumread ghug because of how little he cared, and that kinda explains my scumread but it's more nuanced then that.

I thought there was a specific post that ghug made that especially made it sound like he didn't really care who died yesterday but I can't find it

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:21 pm

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:15 pm

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:15 pm

idk what the lack of ghug defense / no extension (did anyone vote against that?) means though

Last time I played against scum ghug, he openly controlled the game and was fine being voted out since his two teammates were hidden well. This game feels almost the exact same - if ghug is scum his team is probably well hidden and don't need to save him to win

No extension is good for mafia regardless of who is on that team

it's less about ghug's reaction for me and more about the lack of actual defense of ghug from his teammates if he's scum. like the wagon kinda reminds me of the bozo wagon

oh jk you responded to that

bona, when you were questioning bozo on the "is there any way town could be misreading you" line, what were you hoping to find out?

also why did you want to leave with an unvote near eod3? isn't that just autowin for scum because they can force a tie

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:21 pm

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:15 pm

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:15 pm

idk what the lack of ghug defense / no extension (did anyone vote against that?) means though

Last time I played against scum ghug, he openly controlled the game and was fine being voted out since his two teammates were hidden well. This game feels almost the exact same - if ghug is scum his team is probably well hidden and don't need to save him to win

No extension is good for mafia regardless of who is on that team

it's less about ghug's reaction for me and more about the lack of actual defense of ghug from his teammates if he's scum. like the wagon kinda reminds me of the bozo wagon

No I think scum ghug would specifically tell his teammates not to defend him. And two of my top potential scummates damo and Sabi were voting me, so that could be a ghug defense. Although I don't think damo and Sabi are teammates with each other

If more town consolidate on darg than ghug I will move but I'd prefer ghug I think. Consolidation is more important than anything at this point though cause we need all town on the same scum to not lose. I'd prefer to consolidate now because multiple people (myself included) might not be on at EoD

I feel like we should be consolidating onto two people that are at least plausible teammates bc our chances aren’t great if eod is SvT?

darg>ghug>>>squigs rn if darg/ghug/squigs are the options but really uncertain and might just go with townreads

DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑

Sat Nov 27, 2021 7:38 pm

I feel like we should be consolidating onto two people that are at least plausible teammates bc our chances aren’t great if eod is SvT?

darg>ghug>>>squigs rn if darg/ghug/squigs are the options but really uncertain and might just go with townreads

I agree with this motivation but it's hard to execute in practice (and selfishly I can't imagine my not being one of the wagons if there are two, which means we lose).

Y'all should not be saying if you won't be around at EoD. We should consolidate assuming people won't be, but it's harder for scum to fuck with the end if they don't know who's here.