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Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:46 pm
by dargorygel
snowy801 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:08 am
dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:52 am
Hiya snowy... Doing well... Just finished a Christmas concert, now dealing with happy parents... Home soon though. I'm a little surprised about your explanation of yesterday. Is it your claim that you purposely acted odd to avoid a daykill? I don't recall that you are often misskilled on D1. But I could be wrong.
Could you describe what mask you presented, though, and why that mask would stop a daykill?
I would think, actually, that you'd fear a nk more... Which makes your reveal seem premature.
I don't know what you're smoking but whatever it is you read everything I wrote wrong
Referencing this... in response to squiggles saying you were elusive.
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:53 pm
by dargorygel
DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:33 am
welcome darg! Curious to hear any conclusions you drew from your reread of EOD1, it looked like you were throwing some ideas around but nothing concrete
Hi Llama
You llamas throw concrete?
My vote is sort of concrete...
I think I see some disorganized movement to save/protect bona. Folk SAID they were doing it to save him, even. This seems unlikely to be scumtalk. But it could be blatant in our face scumtalk. But, tbf, if there are people voting to protect someone they THINK is town (because we don't know nuttin' on D1) instead of voting for the most scummy, then it seems that bona is more of a distraction to town.
I've got oodles of gut-feel about bona. Soup, maybe, but not concrete.
But the above, and my gut, AND his overplayed reaction to the DK are enough for my vote.
I'm also sus of snowy.
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:55 pm
by dargorygel
Did we get a clear answer from Eden about how many scum are here?
If not (which is what I think, although I might have missed it)
Some folk doing math on lylo assuming one number or the other might be worth a look.
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:59 pm
by dargorygel
ghug wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:05 am
Hi darg are you gone? What did you think of worcej?
Actually, that is a good question.
I did not pay as much attention to him, of course, as I read.
I might have voted for him, out of angst. I tend to dislike escalation. And his(my?) vote was clearly defending bona. So I am wrestling with that, despite my vote.
I didn't see anything scumindicative, though.
Pretty sure worcej was town.
Part, I suppose, of why I am voting bona might be to show that I am NOT protecting bona...
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:00 pm
by dargorygel
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:10 am
dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:52 am
Hiya snowy... Doing well... Just finished a Christmas concert, now dealing with happy parents... Home soon though. I'm a little surprised about your explanation of yesterday. Is it your claim that you purposely acted odd to avoid a daykill? I don't recall that you are often misskilled on D1. But I could be wrong.
Could you describe what mask you presented, though, and why that mask would stop a daykill?
I would think, actually, that you'd fear a nk more... Which makes your reveal seem premature.
Christmas? It's november
It was also a thanksgiving concert... but mostly Christmas.
I also am hoping to decorate tomorrow.
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:01 pm
by BesharamSabi
dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:54 am
Sabi, where's my questions so I can ignore them?
Damn sorry for not being on last night. If you ignore them that means you're scum so be wary.
How do you like to scum hunt?
What reads from day 1 to now changed the most for you and why?
Who is the weakest town player so far?
Who's reads do you agree with the most and why? It can't be a read about you obviously.
Who's reads do you disagree with the most and why? It can't be a read about you obviously.
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:01 pm
by Bonatogether
DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:31 am
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:17 pm
ghug wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:14 pm
Bona, did you at least come to any conclusions in the VCA post you didn't write?
eod was TvT
squigs/snowy scummier for how things went, but probably only one of them is scum
Why do you think squigs/snowy were scummier from EOD? If one of them is scum, who in the list you posted were their most likely protectors?
1) Activity was very fluid until for some reason they dropped off the map for some reason, and there was a sizeable pattern of people who voted for neither and consolidated onto either me or bo
2) probably you and damo
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:06 pm
by damo666
dargorygel wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:59 pm
ghug wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:05 am
Hi darg are you gone? What did you think of worcej?
Actually, that is a good question.
I did not pay as much attention to him, of course, as I read.
I might have voted for him, out of angst. I tend to dislike escalation. And his(my?) vote was clearly defending bona. So I am wrestling with that, despite my vote.
I didn't see anything scumindicative, though.
Pretty sure worcej was town.
Part, I suppose, of why I am voting bona might be to show that I am NOT protecting bona...
##vote darg
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:16 pm
by Bonatogether
people who piled away from me by votes:
food
worcogynl
celaph*
death*
voting to break a tie, can't be fully considered a save, but still somewhat AI. I'm not sure how to put it though
worcogynl, if scum, has to be scum with snowy, otherwise, not scum
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:18 pm
by Bonatogether
##vote deathllama
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:23 pm
by bozotheclown
What about D1 EOD makes you suspect DeathLlama?
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:42 pm
by BesharamSabi
DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:31 am
<snip snip>
BesharamSabi wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:32 am
I'm trying to bring my enthusiasm back. It kinda went away after the incident but I will bring it back even if I have to ask each remaining person in the game 3 questions every couple of hours. You all will hate me for that but I don't care.
hope you're feeling better/safer! there are two things I would've expected you to comment on by now given your past activity - asking all those questions is fine but it's also worth following them up later if you think they're worthwhile things to pursue. In particular I'm curious to know what you got out of some of those d1 survey questions and if it's still an approach you want to take
Thank you, I'm trying my best.
I got some of the players thoughts on other players as well as their meta take. I will be coming back to those question periodically. Maybe they were trick questions, who knows. Super secretive.
But I have changed up my questions and started going after those that really have not explained their thought processes for their reads and statements. Or those who's reads I agree when and want others to be influenced.
Who knows
Spooky
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:42 pm
by bozotheclown
snowy801 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:19 pm
Alright now let's take a look at who's in this game
Oh my man foodcoats is back
and Squigs is a name I'm familiar with but never in mafia contexts
You and Squigs were both in M39.
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:45 pm
by BesharamSabi
I got roped into being a player-gm for vdl today so I won't be as active today. I will try to catch up when I get eliminated from games. This is not me being scummy or changing my tactics. You can verify this is happening by checking the vwdc discord server lol.
I was originally supposed to just gm the second round this morning but they needed two more players to play so here I am.
Anyway leave me questions and I will answer them when I'm back.
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:53 pm
by Bonatogether
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:23 pm
What about D1 EOD makes you suspect DeathLlama?
edit: this became a whole thing
he voted me despite 'having trouble getting signal from high posters like snowy/ghug/bona in general' (his stated reason was 'it's weird that bona is gone actually'/'even when he was around yesterday he kinda just stopped progressing reads in the last few hours')
he also interacts a ton with snowy but has never put out a read on him throughout d1. In his VCA post n1, he hedges a townread ('snowy better', 'snowy has positive signal [but thing] which weakens this a little')
he also never mentions sqoogs, except tangentially.
also why make this post? it's so strange because it's 20 minutes after his previous post, which means that he's really just popping in and saying this, but why is this the thing you want to emphasize?
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:54 pm
by bozotheclown
Squigs44 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:12 pm
##vote Snowy
Once upon a time I called Snowy useless town, but on reread I'm not sure why I put Snowy at anything above null. That EoD was not a good look for Snowy, and so I think it's time for Snowy to stop being so elusive
Here was your reason:
Squigs44 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:47 pm
BesharamSabi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:11 pm
OK now your turn. : )
Useless town candidate: Snowy. I think snowy is probably more likely town based on the abstract play, but it's so enigmatic and elusive that it's not good for town
Lurkers: Lurkers are fine to vote out and eliminate early, but there are usually better wagons. We shouldn't default to piling on lurkers as the wagonomics on that would be awful but it's not a huge loss if they get eliminated. I'd much rather find someone scummy than someone useless.
Info flip: I strongly disagree that lurkers give info. Info comes from interactions and wagonomics. You want someone that is polarizing. Someone who has been both attacked and defended and has both attacked and defended. Flipping counterwagons is usually good later but that doesn't apply here. So I would say right now Bona could be a good info flip. Bona has had 5 votes cast for, has casted 3 votes, has had some people offer defenses/explanations, and has interacted with a decent number of people in interesting ways.
What about D1 EOD do you think points to snowy being scum?
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:54 pm
by Bonatogether
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:42 pm
snowy801 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:19 pm
Alright now let's take a look at who's in this game
Oh my man foodcoats is back
and Squigs is a name I'm familiar with but never in mafia contexts
You and Squigs were both in M39.
how do you find this information? just looking through games? I've tried that and it takes forever
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:01 pm
by bozotheclown
Assuming you are town, why do you think DeathLlama would move his vote back and forth between you and bo_sox as mafia?
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:02 pm
by bozotheclown
Bonatogether wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:54 pm
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 2:42 pm
snowy801 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:19 pm
Alright now let's take a look at who's in this game
Oh my man foodcoats is back
and Squigs is a name I'm familiar with but never in mafia contexts
You and Squigs were both in M39.
how do you find this information? just looking through games? I've tried that and it takes forever
There is a link on the bot to the "Updated Mafia Scoresheet" which is helpful, although it has not been updated recently.
Re: M1020 — Speed Run Mafia GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:04 pm
by bozotheclown
bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:01 pm
Assuming you are town, why do you think DeathLlama would move his vote back and forth between you and bo_sox as mafia?
Also, do you think this was an attempt at faking a town tell:
DeathLlama8 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:25 pm
wait ##callgm how many mafia are there? setup just says 3 or 4